Forum All Clan Groups are going to be Deleted.

Everyone in POWER confirmed infiniterising.

 

The last 2 rules aren't really going to be enforced or anything. It's a recommendation at most. Only reason I stated them is because most new people only look at the Clan Tag when identifying some one and think of it as their name. Pretty sure if you played in the past at least a few times, you've seen people shouting "CLAN is griefing" or "CLAN hao 2 do dat?" or something to that effect. Since it's most often the common identifying part of a clan, I'm pretty sure it'd make sense to for them to put it first and have emphasis on it.

The last rule is also a set of recommendations and not something that's actually going to be moderated either. If a clan doesn't care about how it presents itself, that's up to them. A member's list simply let's people know who's in it (and maybe let them see if they get along/don't with a member in that clan). A clan could put "we bzt clan evar" and leave at that. Having requisites posted for joining would generally help people from having to ask what they are (although quite a few of us know that some people just don't ever read the OP anyways).

Feel free to continue posting Brilly about how your are always right; As much as a may Kiwi attempt to fly, your attempt to predict things has always failed. Anyways, I'll just ignore your posts since all you love to do is make shit up and complain like it's a real issue. Probably also one of the people who actually thought the world was going to end on 2012.

If anyone, besides Brilly, has some more actual feed back on the rules/changes, feel free to post and if it's serious enough for some concern, then I might change something.

 

Well Spidey, you've clearly haven't seen Brilly post anything in the past before. Pretty sure he just likes making my life hard because I've simply post something and he just loves to state completely false facts about how me and all the other admins are just out to destroy classic. It happens every time. You can only take so much shit from the same person over and over again until you get tired of it. I don't have problem with his other posts, but if it involves some sort of change to classic, he'll make stuff up and won't stop about it.

Pubs talking about badmins are talking about the server ones. They always get confused and think they are official admins and make a report about it. In the end it's generally something that happened on one of the RP servers.

Anyways, this is off topic, so you can post on my profile if you want to continue in public.

 

If the current clans, sorry, 'groups' weren't so goddamn broken and out of the way, then maybe it wouldn't make so much sense to have a change of organisation. Right now, the social forum area just a huge and screwy clusterfuck of irritatingly dysfunctional squam-muddlings, based upon a broken plug-in that has even been abandoned by it's own creator for being to broken and shitty. The only reason it isn't even worse than it currently is is due to Kouji ensuring that the inactive groups are deadheaded, and providing even some form of order in that hellhole.

Whilst they had potential, they were clearly an ultimately poor investment, as, on the whole, only the major and long-standing clans have functional and up to date clan pages, and even then they're not exactly very functional in the long run.
For example, Young Blood, one of the oldest clans, goes into a deep explanation of their strict and carefully controlled recruitment, training and clan war program is planned, all in the simple phrase "rip contrary".
POWER continues to stay up-to-date and in action through the use of their cleverly designed thread, "The thread we bump once a month to stop Kouji from deleting power clan page" (it's not quite as subtle as the generally favoured "Horse Porn Sharing general", but, y'know, it works). I also greatly laud their efforts to maintain a clan scene in KAG through their apparently continued activity within the Arthurian League, a tournament that, when I last checked, had ended in more than a year and a had ago.
BoW is more dead than Freddex is, and I don't even know what has happened to clans like Nemesis, to the eternal detriment of the KAG competitive scene.

There are a number of clans that still do use the social forums regularly, and obviously some functionality is unfortunately lost, i.e., a badge and the poll, one of which is particularly saddening. However, in exchange for a readily visible clan scene upon the forums, the actual changes to your lives will be minimal. One major discussion thread becomes an open house for all potential visitors, and you still have an infinite number of private threads to make with whichever secretive buddies you want.

If you are offended, not much can be done. Human beings work in that way, it's probably a glandular problem.

 

You forgot REKIN OF SEAS.

 

No, it's broken for both, just that the clan one is a huge waste of time and general is only staying because FBB still wants it.

As you stated though, you don't have much experience with the group plugin, which therein lies the problem. Faults include: letting people put an unlimited number of badges under their name, impossibility to give ownership to a person who accidentally left the clan, having to delete AND move threads into a different section of the forum before the group itself can be deleted, editing the clan's front page can error out and once that happens for that clan page, it's going to error out everytime, you can put badges from clans you have only applied to join (you don't even have to be accepted), alerts are broken half the time and so on and so on. I could go on, but it'd take too long

Also, as far as your suggestions go, those are already the rules we have currently and people don't follow them. This causes me to delete them, they cry and it's a pain. Additionally, I can't just check every single group to see who's the leader of every single one to know if they made a 2nd group or not. Not that I haven't tried, but it's always a waste of time. If people actually didn't make 100 different clans, told me when they decided to shut down and the plug-in itself wasn't broken from an moderation standpoint, then this wouldn't be happening.

The only thing that can't be as easily replaced is the Shields underneath the name, although you still have your signature for that.

 

Yagger, the solution is simple: get a Shark server going and then create a group for it in general-- with the sharsharshar shield as the thumbnail.

>inb4 people create spam groups just to get shields: If you are caught using the thumbnail of a group that has no clear purpose (beyond giving its members a shield) then the group will be promptly deleted, all members will receive a warning, and you'll have your rights to create a social group revoked. I was the only person who voted for keeping the General section, so I won't have anyone making keeping it as legacy any more burdensome than it's already going to be.

 

If Duplolas, or whoever else, is stupid enough to join a group that has no purpose outside of getting a shield then yes, they will get a warning along with everyone else in the group.

And please, I'm not about to do something that leads to a ban straight off the bat; give me at least that much credit. >_> People will receive a 0 point warning the first time around, just like anything else. Only those foolish enough to repeat the stunt will be in any danger of a ban, etc.

And for the record: All groups currently existing in General will be left alone so long as they remain active-- no matter how silly/pointless they are. (Please note, I said currently existing-- I have screenshots and will nuke any pointless/joke groups that pop up between now and when Clans goes away).

Anywho, the point of all this is not to be a complete hardarse, it's just that I don't relish the thought of wading through a million-and-one groups that exist solely so that their owner can have a unique shield.

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Alternatively, we could just leave things as they are and see how it goes. In fact, yes. I like this idea. We'll see if people can be mature for once... (lel )

So, hows this? If the groups page is used responsibly then great, but if it's spammed to shit then I'll just lock it so no one can create new groups (although, ofc, people who have a legit reason for wanting a new group, e.g. a new server gets put up, then we can tweak things so they can create their group).

Sound fair?