Archer Balance [371]

to think they'll add about ten pretty soon... OP'S EVERYWHERE!

 

Well, fox did go a little over board with the radius on the nukes :3 but it does serve its purpose of breaking through giant defences. But at the same time, it created giant holes in flat lands which made the round shitty and impossible to play over time.

Shortening the building phase helped tremendously in making the game more fun, not having to go against a 10 block thick, 50 block high towers in the early phase, but in addition to the lack of ticket count, it made the game stretched far too long to be fun. The nukes tried to fix this problem but in the end, it was worse ;<
Perhaps it would have been better if there was more variable to tweak.

 

I dunno what server it was...
but they had the most awesome kegs ever!
little radius, but HUGE power!
I was just creating small holes in the ground, and in other people.

 

Give archers a sub-weapon like bombs for knights. That way they have more than one weapon to use, and can be more useful.
Something like slings or weighted nets that can snare enemies, but have a small range, so it prompts the archer to go to the front lines. It retains it's usefulness when one wishes to remain at a tower as well, as it can simply be flung from above.

Edit: Shortening the build phase seems like a neat idea as well, but that would promote more bunker-ish gameplay.
Edit2: Or give archers a chance to go melee. Give them a lightweight blade such as a knife/kukri/rapier which can only jab and do downward thrusts from height (like shield slam, except with sword and pointy end downward)

 

Archers: Cannot spam arrows.

Make them have to charge to half in order to shoot... Or hold down the button for a tiny bit before it starts charging.

Something like that.

Next: Give Archers something more useful. Take bombs away from knights, give them to archers.

Knights have so many useful abilities and Archers only have their arrows, so why not give archers bombs? It fits the class better than to have knights throwing bombs.

 

I really hope you're not that guy who likes to insult everybody and is popular throughout the community for it >.>

Making fun of people's ideas isn't really motivating for new users to submit their ideas, btw.

 

What's your problem? He was stating a suggestion in a polite and mannersome way. I can see your point but it is not constructive to present it in a threatening and demeaning way, if anything, it helps to steer the thread off-topic. To correct the problem you brought out, the charge time needed to fire an arrow could be increased so they won't have a chance to fire an arrow at close range with a knight incoming.

So far every class apart form the archer has a sub-function that can be implemented with outside elements.
Knight: main function is to stab and shield (no items required)
sub-function is throwing bombs (needs to buy bombs)

Builder: main function is building (needs to collect materials)
sub-function: can hammer people if necessary (no items required)

Archer: main function is shooting arrows (needs to collect arrows)
sub-function: none

Edit: Also, the reason I suggested a subweapon for archers is because right now they CANNOT do anything else than shoot arrows. If they had another option, I'm pretty sure players would take advantage of it.

Edit2: I really should learn to read, I thought you were quoting my message. Still, doesn't make my answer invalid though, just in wrong context in regards to the recipient.

 

I agree with fate.

If Archer got some sort of sub-function then it would make players want to use it to be more helpful. Archers spam arrows because it's all their class can do.

Make them have to charge their shots or something, give them a sub-function and I think it's problem solved. Fate was just suggesting a sub-function (a knife)

 

Actually archers already have to charge their arrows, but that's beside the point. Also, it doesn't even have to be a knife. It does not even have to be damaging, it could even just be a debuff such as a snare like a sling/bola/weighted net. A thing that does not cause any harm but is a useful thing to have anyway.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention is that this is a public Alpha version of the game, strictly speaking a bare-bones version if going technical. This is a test version, which means features need to be tested, not just theorycrafted to see how players react to a new feature, how they adapt to it, counter it, develop strategies for it, maybe see if it could be tweaked. Of course it will upset the balance of a game, but that's what testing is for, to iron out issues.

 

I said we should make them HAVE to charge. As in, can't spam anymore.

Sorry if that wasn't clear the first time.

 

I think archers need more long range not close range arrow spamers.

 

I think the reason why archers don't have a sub-function is because you can use arrows in many different ways (ex: arrow climbing, medium power arrows, spam arrows, full power arrows)
Nobody uses medium power arrows anymore

 

I can only kill archers that are too stupid to move.
Archers that move and shoot at the same time are impossible to hit because of how slow melee is.
The amount of skill to spam a arrow is very low and almost everyone can do it. A knight cant slash a archer because of the charge being stopped by a low power arrow, and spamming jabs don't work because archers can spam faster.
So the only thing that works is a bomb (which has been nerfed into something useless) which also has the chance of missing.

 

Archers are currently unbalanced. Anyone who plays a good mix of the classes knows this. I'm going to call it and say that if you think they are balanced you're dead wrong.

I am a fantastic knight, a good builder and a mediocre archer. I get at least 2-3 times more kills as an archer than knight.

Its especially made worse in this build. Before bombjumping was completely screwed in the ass by a big clown wearing a tutu it was my way of dealing with them. Before I could bombjump into a tower and clear it out of archers in seconds, now as a knight I feel like my only option is to join the shiledbashless stab fest that is knight combat now. Just mindless running into a meatgrinder.

For anyone who didn't get it.

Knights are broken.

Archers are OP.

I kill great knights in melee combat as an archer all the time, and archer is my least played class. When I use bombs, I use them only on archers. Its literally the only tool I have to deal with them as a knight.

The game currently has a HUGE balance problem.

I don't know where the solution lies, but the massive nerf knights have recieved (bombjump/Shieldbash broken) was a big step in the wrong direction. Not to mention all the other bugs with knights.

Maybe we should double the HP and damage of knights, give builders an extra heart.

In all serious though, something that would help knights deal with archers and buildings is have them spawn with 1 bomb by default. Server owners I'm looking at you!

 

I feel that Knights should take reduced damage from arrows as they are in armor. So grey-charged arrows either do 1/4 heart or no damage at all, with the other charges being 1/2 and 1 heart damage. Builders are squishy, so arrows SHOULD hurt them alot. This way, spamming is useless against knights but still can do something against builders and other archers (who are squishy as well). Also un-nerfed knights would help.

 

Arrows stop charging, which stops jabs. The only melee attack that can beat the spam is the hammer :p
Also knights are broken in balance and combat.
Ex: I was fighting an archer and everytime I went to spam a jab at him, but every time I went to hit him a arrow was there to stop me.
Its almost like clashing but the arrow wins.