Archer changes general

> Profit

 

You also realize that by legalos shooting them, they have to recharge the slash... meaning you can pinprick them with about 2 regular arrows in that time...
Each arrow makes him recharge...
So if he tries to continue to slash... just shoot him with legalosing.

 

ummmm...
I can pull off a slash in less than two seconds. You should grapple away, its safer.
It might work with a noob night, but not a pro one.

 

You can discuss tactics all you want, but there is still a clear knight dominance. Their potential damage output and decent ranged damage capability stomps archers. The funny thing is that knights are better at range then archers, which makes no sense. The archer is only useful when around 5-6 blocks or less (The range where knights dominate). The archer seems to lack a defined role. Is it cqc or range? I dont know. Don't get me wrong, I love archer. Its my second favourite class, first being builder.

 

uhh Bomb arrows man! and Fire arrows! and all those great things!

 

Bomb and fire arrows are only really useful against buildings, and are only a waste of coin when used on players. Knight can block arrows, you cant block bombs.

 

Well You should be able to deal with knights just fine, and then bomb arrow their building.

 

Items that, from my experience, hardly help PvP. To further emphasize your point.

Actually, can knights block bombarrow damage with their shield? If so I hate accidentally hitting falling knights when I shoot at towers even more than before.

Gosh archer has a lot of little quirks to deal with...

 

Honestly I cant see a fix to the archer apart from a raw damage buff to their attacks. But of course the knight loving nerf herders will start crying.

 

Why can't we all just agree (at least partially) on this copypaste from another thread?

#1 Archers
Probably the hottest topic right now. The class needs a buff. Both newbies and veterans realize this.

ESSENTIAL

1. Normal arrow damage increased to 1,5 hearts from close to mid range. Talking about 0-15 blocks.
2. RNG spread from arrows removed.
3. Stun range increased by 3 blocks.

OPTIONAL

1. No stun if enemy takes stomp damage. Archers stomp with less velocity.
   • Encourages risky plays and increases skill ceiling
2. All classes can climb ally arrows. Great utility tool for archers, and gives them much more presence even without special arrows.
   • Arrow climbing mechanics should be improved if this feature is added. I suggest being able to gain an additional jump as you fall on an arrow, no slowdown ladder climb.
3. Water arrows removed, water bombs changed to an archer tool
   • This makes much more sense as a support tool for archers and further encourages them to get closer to enemies. Water bombs are also way too powerful on knights.
4. Archers can lit kegs
   • One might argue this makes them completely OP, but it is not really the case. Scaling enemy walls is a difficult task with enemy archers and knights actively trying to take you out while you are slowed down. Allowing archers to lit kegs would give archers incentive to offensively use their grappling hook, and promotes skillful plays.

 

Increasing stun range means that you can stun a knight from farther away? Frankly I think that is good. What is this RNG Spread? Legolas?


Verra: God Tier? I'm not even great. I see plenty of better archers than me.

Also, The difference between Super Smash Bros, and KAG is very large. In SSBs, you can't get items. They are _randomly_ dropped. While on KAG, you buy them. You get them at your discretion.

If you say that Knights don't need items, well...

It's true that 1- 2 knights can basically kill everything in their way... until they reach a tower. If it is a stone tower, It's basically impossible for them to get over, unless bombs, mines, or Kegs.

Each of those items, except bombs, cost much more than Bomb arrows. Bomb arrows can be shot from a distance, mines and kegs really can't. Bomb arrows do more damage than bombs. Kegs do a lot of damage, but you can't fight well with a keg on your back... (I'm not actually sure about this point, I've see knights slashing and stabbing with kegs, but I haven't been able to). You can legalos 3 bomb arrows, or shoot them separately. Of course, bomb arrows can't kill people, but as support and destruction, It is much stronger and versatile than any bomb, mine, or keg.

 

Yes! Please remove that!

 

I don't even know what i expected to see when i came back to this thread. Its very disappointing that I'm not very disappointed in what I've been reading.

 

I agree with both Verra and Monstri with their different points.

It does get on my nerves when a person thinks a class is balanced just because they are good at it. *Cough*The bombjumpers who can go up 20+ in a single bomb yet say it is my own fault for not building tall enough*cough*

The 1.5 damage ontop of the extra 3 block stun might be a little too much, but who knows, it might work out during testing?

Also you can see my previous post about how much the RNG effects arrows here, it is pretty bad...And only gets worse with range.

Spoiler

In fact my 50 year old father just the other week used a bow and arrow for the first time in over 10-15 years and still kept his skill of hitting the center of the target 3 out of 8 times(and close several other times)...So there really isn't a realism based excuse as to why the Archers in KAG are so bad by default(not the players, the archers themselves).

 

This statement is much wiser than you may realize! Of course it can be useful to have academic debate in order to come up with ideas on how to balance, but there are a lot of moving parts in the balance of this or any game. To assume that any one person's theories, even one's own, about what will work to balance the game are correct without testing indicates an underestimation of the complexity of game balance.

That said, the current game settings have been tested at great length, and continue to be tested every day. So, I think it is safe to say that sufficient testing has been done to convince a large portion of the user base that the archer lacks significant potency on the battlefield in both direct combat and the much-mentioned 'support' position.

In my opinion, its time to take some of these ideas and test them one by one to see what happens. I have already begun to try on one of my servers, but unfortunately, the fact that a modded server does not show up in the server listing with default search settings has severely limited traffic to that one.

The server I'm referring to is as follows:
hierbo's balance testing server (TTH) - USA

The server is open to the public, and the description section of the server states the particular balance tweak(s) that is/are currently active. I invite players in both the 'archer is already fine' and the 'archer needs help' camps to join and see what can be determined.