Archer changes general

I feel like Archers are mainly a rope swinging support class and secondly a long range combatant.

They're fantastic at dropping mines behind enemy lines, hijacking crates, and harassing builders.

I strongly disagree. That gives them way too much utility. Bust walls, build walls, scale walls. It's too much.

 

Wait a sec.. You might have a point! Maybe the archer isn't even supposed to fight the knight, but to harass builders and at least slow knights down! Though the stealing of things is veeeery tiny... Maybe it's the gamemode that needs a bit of tweaking?

 

Being a support class doesn't justify the RNG arrows though, haha.
Even if Archers aren't suppose to fight Knights, it's still night on impossible to avoid them, and that's the biggest issue.

 

Yeah, true... I didn't really think it through =P But yeah, if the archers somehow could just get.. Better at hitting the knights, I think the current damage is fine.

 

The infinite shield is still ridiculous, though.

 

Looks like this thread is quickly turning back into the extremes of unneeded changes...again...

Merge archer and builder? Do I even need to go into detail on why this is a bad idea?

Archers not even supposed to fight knights? Do you forget that TDM is a gamemode?

Also avoiding knights is really easy to do with the grapples, it is all about hitting them right now...And getting behind enemy lines is useless 90% of a time while knights still do more damage when actually being there...I still wouldn't say knights are demigods, I play all 3 classes almost equally now days so I know how each feels and I can say giving knights a debuff would make a lot more people unhappy than giving archer and builder
a buff...

 

Yeah, probably true.. But -how-? That's the question we all linger on right now! It's hard to do it right!

 

Maybe if the devs are watching this thread they'll test out a few of the suggestions...such as the ever so slight increase in full power arrow stun range, damage increase, arrow climbing, no more slashing arrows out of the air, better stomping, etc...

There are plenty of options, all it takes is testing them and seeing which stick!

 

Grappling is less reliable a method of dodging than you think. The hitboxes for slashing are deceivingly tall.

On the note of TDM, what needs to happen is that the Devs need to choose one game mode to balance around. Trying to balance around everything would be impossible to do.

 

Looking at how the game plays currently, balance for multiple game modes isn't all that bad(unless we are talking about perfect balance)...sadly the issue is archers aren't very useful in any of the 3 main gamemodes...(good at getting flags in CTF, though...that is something)

Also grapple is amazingly good at running away(except in water), you can use walls, trees, or even the ground infront of you. Actually yeah, jumping then grappling the ground furthest infront of you gives you a crazy boost.

 

Jesus, you are all just rambling right now. Whenever archer has enough coins for plenty bomb arrows he makes a great support class, but they need to stand on their own more. THAT IS WHY I SUGGEST:
1,5 dmg arrows from close to mid range
retarded RNG removed
better stomp

 

Speaking of coins, I've noticed that I never get any coins while on Archer. Are Builders the only ones that can get them these days?

 

I believe you get coins from gathering resources or killing opponents? And since the archer is shit at killing stuff, yeah, you get the idea.

 

The heart arrows idea was shot down with good reason in my opinion. Why bother with such nonsense when simply carrying burgers/hearts around offers precise healing whenever you need it and not have to rely on some archer?

Let's not forget that a charged shot takes time and depending on the distance it can require 3-4 seconds until your arrows reach your injured team mate (that is if the player doesn't move and you miss) plus add the time it might take for an archer player to scan the battlefield and identify the injured friendlies. At that point, given how fast combat in KAG may end, it could be too late. Also, would the arrows heal anyone that they touch? Because if they do you better hope that the archer is freaking Legolas else you might end up with a team mate that heals your foes. Which would be hilarious but yeah, doesn't seem like it would help much.

Plus, unless the heart arrows heal more than one heart it might be useless unless you go full triple shot which takes even more time to charge.

It just seems way easier to do damage as an archer than heal, you just have too many other variables to take into account and the pay-off seems even less worth it.

 

Exactly what Auburn said.

Also if the arrow hit the enemy while it still had the heart it would simply do damage and heal at the same time...so the only loss is the fact you wasted an arrow...

 

Even an archer would be willing to tag along behind a knight 24/7, it still takes longer to charge a shot than charge a slash. The battle could end even before archer has time to realize his knight buddy has been injured which brings it back as to why it's more efficient for the knight to just carry his own healing supplies.

EDITED: Also I thought the heart arrows were supposed to only heal not do damage aswell. In which case, why bother with regular arrows if such things would be available? Still, I don't really see the point in making the archer the knight's personnel wet nurse when they can heal themselves just fine and more reliably.

 

You can still hold F and click the heart/burger while running away. Plus that can just as easily be fixed by adding shortcut keys since a lot of people have asked for those, allowing for the quick use of items or ammo switching. I'd consider that a more useful add-on than the heart arrows since it remains more reliable still.

As for CTF not bringing burgers, perhaps that is intentional? If so then I'd doubt they'd have a reason to add other healing methods besides hearts that are already dropping. Honestly, I don't even use burgers myself but I do gather any hearts I find, especially in RTDM.