Archer crawling

The word "unlogical" sounds very illogical ;)

 

Yeah, sorry for that. English is not my native language and I'd gladly speak to you in fluent Polish.. but uh wait, you don't speak it at all. Thanks for pointing that out and letting me improve, though it's funny that it's all you had to say as a response to what I wrote.

 

Ah you're right, too tired for my brain to work properly right now.
I also meant to tell you how I noticed the 1 tile thing at first and thought it was funny no one else noticed it until your post. Was about to say something myself too :D

As for English, there are soooo many little random exceptions to all the rules you learn, you get used to it I guess especially if it's native.

 

The archer would be digging a one tile tunnel in the dirt as he crawls.

 

+1!
The archer should be able to dig while crawling... I actually think that he should be able to dig up and down too... like some people suggested its really easy to counter him digging under or through the ground with a single stone block (or a floor made of stone blocks) so its not that big of a deal... I think it woud really underline the "stealth aspect" of the class.
The only thing I am worried about is that he would be OP in comparison to the other two classes, but that is kinda hard to decide and would need playtesting.
Right now the classes feel balanced to me but thats again just a feeling and not evidence for it to be true.

 

I think it would only be op if the archer could dig down whilst hes digging a 1 block space. Why? Because the only way to counter him digging a 1 block corridor, and then widening it, is to catch him early and throw a bomb in, or to widen the space yourself in order to kill him.. which is giving the archer what he wants, a tunnel.

 

Wait so its okay if he can dig up but not down you are saying ...? I think I don't completely understand!

 

Think of it this way. An archer digs 1 block tunnel from point A to ----------------> Point B

It looks like this ------------------------

While in the tunnel, he digs the blocks above him, OR below him, so it looks like this:

---------------------------------------------------------
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Meaning, people can then use it. No-one would be able to stop an archer from doing this, as he would be the only one who can fit in one block tunnels. You'd have to catch him early with a bomb.

Another thing is. What if an archer digs a 1 block tunnel through, and backs on himself, and theres an enemy archer following him. Neither can shoot. The only option is for the enemy archer to back up, what if he doesn't back up? Leading to a stalemate till one of them gives in and either moves or commits suicide.

 

Oh yeah I see it now.. you're right... it would make more sense if the archer can only dig in a straight line. I completely agree with you now.
Thanks for the explanation, that was quite enlightening.

 

How about a slide?

 

Slide as in?

 

Run, then duck, proceed to slide with said momentum gained by running.

 

It wont be because the enemy knight wont be able to enter and the enemy archers will need protection to let them enter and also i between a 1 tiled tunnel you can have a 2 tile space where achers can stand and shoot , with 2 exits on 2 sides of 1tiled tunnels , man it would be awesome , I wish this comes true.

 

the archer should not be able to dig while crawling, because then not even other archers could stop him, but I do like this, if only because if someone has a one think wall, poke a hole in bottom and attack

 

Yeah, actually, thinking about this, I like the idea.
Not only can it make a nice balance for knights being able to glide, but also improves the bond between the classes. After all, the archer cant make the holes through which to crawl, so some teamwork is required to use this properly, which I like.

Of course, there's the issue of archers getting completely stuck, which I don't think counts as a feature. You should never HAVE to suicide. That's what builders are for, and you may end up in places that are unreachable except by a lot of bombing, like crevices between bedrock.

 

Well, if you dig a tunnel and then a knight comes to wait for you at your hole, it's too bad.

I don't understand this. Do you mean archer couldn't dig? He can dig only dirt, and I see nothing wrong in that.

 

I think the point was that if an archer can't dig while crawling, they can't dig their own tunnel. Has to be dug 2 high then filled in by a builder.

 

Actually, I was referring to using that for directly bypassing defences, i.e. crawling through gaps blown/knocked in enemy walls.

 

I'd like more a way to charge the bow while lying down, so it makes more effective ambushes because the moment you hold mouse button you stand up and suddenly you get decapitated before you relase the string. I dont know, sprite could be tricky but something like "dragging it horizontally" could work, without anything sticking out. Could aslo make archers more viable against knights.