B878 - New Cooperative Challenges!

Yeah, I've had difficulty adjusting to the new arrow-flight too. It's just... strange. They fly slowly, but perfectly straight... and it feels alien to me, since I've played both Alpha and Beta extensively as an Archer before this update.

I don't know if it's the right idea yet. I mean, it helps Archers have greater range, but it makes the class way easier for people who have never played (aim straight at them, hurr) and makes it harder for veterans (such as my humble self :P) to aim well because the physics are so awkward.

I don't mind having 2 hearts of health and dying in one hit. I mean, Archer has always been the flimsiest class. But if they're going to be that flimsy, the devs should stop trying to implement things that help Archer fight at close range (close-range arrow stun, triple shot) and focus on giving the Archer greater ranged capabilities, which they had in Alpha.

 

Well, I find the grapple hook, and the close-range stun to be from very different spheres.
[respectively, "fragile speedster" elf, versus "weak, but skilled" war archer]

The close-range stun shot, alone, would've been perfect for Pre-866 Archers, but Post-866 Archers, the archers can operate very independently [and annoyingly], if there are trees/walls around.

As far as Knights, shielding and slashing has become very unreliable as an archer, seemingly you can't slash-jab, but they can, it's weird, but I guess that's what I get for 166-266ms.

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe the current arrow flight path is similar to the one in alpha which I considered the best in my honest opinion. I think people just need a bit more time to get used to it after having to deal with the old beta archer flight path which felt, at least for me, as if I was shooting arrows made out of lead. Not to mention that the range was overall crappy when compared to an alpha archer's range.

In alpha, I recall most archers being able to hit fairly often from close range but snipping somebody from a long distance? Maybe a screen and a half away? That required skill and I'm looking forward to such moments.

Archers at the moment already have plenty of options and I can't really think of any way how the devs might increase their ranged powers even further without making them OP (ranged stun anyone? yeah, let's not).

On a side note, the close-range arrow stun is exactly what they needed to break through a knight's shield, since now we have a way on how to deal with knights. The two hearts health will simply differentiate the novice from the veteran since archers need to be even more careful when attempting to finish off a wounded knight with a triple close ranged arrow shot. And you know what? I like it! It's a nice risk/reward opportunity shot.

 

Yes, and you can easily block a multi shot with a shield, so I'm still not buying it.

 

Only the first arrow. If you shoot all three at a shielding knight and hit him, that would do 2 hearts of damage, with a bit of luck if you caught him off guard that would of been 3 hearts of damage from close range. Being able to snipe from a distance with a charged shot (2 hearts of damage) and weaken him before the above would mean instant death unless the knight is very careful.

I'm also unsure what do you mean by "not buying it". As in, triple shot on close range is still weak or...?

 

Or I figured out how to shield.

I've tussled with Landoo, so I've been pretty accustomed to triple shots, since the guys lives off of them.
It's annoying, he is divine at the grapple hook, and it's pretty much more of a hassle to kill him, than letting him kill several people.

But, the close-range stun doesn't give much time to shoot the stunned knight, so it more or less it makes the multi-shot even more worthwhile than not, from what you say, and what I've seen in Challenge and in-Game.
---@ 8x
A "Weak, but Skilled" War Archer would be more like the Pre 866 archers, they could take one blow, but they had to deal damage by taking potshots, and forcing knights to not shield, or slash, since they couldn't otherwise.
A "Fragile Speedster" Elf, would be more like Post 866, where they are very squishy, very fast, and can get anywhere. Their main tactics mainly deal with point blank multi-shots, and camping out at doors, sniping builders.

It's pretty weird to have to deal with knights and archers, now.

 

I think the community is split on this, honestly. Some people, like me, want the slow-shooting, long-ranged, sniping-focused Archer to make a return. And other people like the new mid-range ninja-tactics Archer that we have now.

I say, if at all possible, keep them both. Yeah, it's been suggested a trillion times before, but I'm going to say it again:

Multiple weapon types.

Good ol' Alpha Archer could make a comeback (without long-range stun, for balance's sake) using a longbow.
And the new Beta Archer can stay - just call his weapon a shortbow, or compound bow or something.

I think that's the way to go, honestly. If you can't please everyone with one play style, let people choose how they want to play.

 

The problem is that the Pre, and Post866 archers seem pretty cut and dry when it comes to who can kill who... It'd take more work to get them to balance out.

The older archers could still take the pace of a knight, which is why I like to call them with War Archers.
The newer ones, Elves, because holy shit are they everywhere.

 

I hope new update contains CTF :D
Edit: I am loading it now :3

 

I really wish KAG kept even some rudimentary statistics. We could determine whether a new build has affected skillfulness in knight combat by comparing the standard deviation of knights pre update to this afterwards and look for a difference. If we saw a smaller SD we could conclude that the difference in results between good knights and bad knights is less and therefore skill has become a less important factor. Of course not a full proof test but I think it would help a lot, or at least be very interesting.

edit: i subtley asked a few more knight players without giving too much away they said similiar

 

i am deadset on the theory of the net code getting fucked up. deputy a skilled knight which was on even keel with myself is now killing me way more often than usuall. his sword is rediculous and shit isnt connecting when i slash him at times. there must be a change for this.

 

Geti many of the players have noticed a big difference in knight combat. double slashes just don't connect very well. and over all combat in general has become weird and unpredictable. im not saying OMG DEVS FUK U U SUK or anything im saying that there appears to be a problem and i would love to see an eventual fix to this issue like everyone else. :)

 

Yea I know what your talking about. I managed to get slashed six blocks way through a 1 block hole.

 

LOL
yea that shit is what im talking about

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 15, 2013, Original Post Date: Sep 15, 2013 ---

what ive noticed is that single slash vastly beats double slash in all situations. and even when i try to slash its wierd. earlier i was about to get hit by a double slash but the second slash even though it hit me dead on didnt do a dam thing. i then killed him in confusion as to what just happened. its all just really awkward and like i said others like contrary, deputy, metaphoenix have all noticed it. just ask any veteran about what happening.