Buckets as unique water bombs

//EDIT: moved from Build 2374 - New Maps and More Contributions as per king gatu's instructions. ~fbb//
As a suggestion for a long term change, making buckets more of a unique water bomb. I've created a list of changes I think would be interesting, but I am absolutely fine if they stay the way they are.

• Bucket's now cost 15-30 wood and 20-30 coins Makes them harder to build. Cost clearly defines the item as a utility and a side-grade to water bomb/arrows
• Bucket use now stuns the user if they are in the splash Fire is now harder to put out without other builders.
  
• Bucket use now stuns enemies caught in the splash It sounds ridiculous but there are a number of points that balance it.

Reasoning

1. I believe builders should have more support and pressure tools. These changes should not change the role of the class, only giving more unique options (and fixing water item inconsistency )
2. Using it at short range only delays nearby enemies if you are solo. When used with nearby allies you can kick a lot of butt However, you are still a builder in the open and must be escorted, and more enemies can walk in while you are stunned.
3. A clever person may realize that a thrown bucket still splashes, negating the self stun! However this mechanic is already tuned into the game as buckets that are thrown break upon landing after the splash (much like water bombs)
   
4. Sponges reduce water stuns (good change ) If they do get spammed to high hell sponges can be used to significantly offset the stun duration.
5. Builders can defend their structures (or at least slow down the destruction)

I would like to see these tested but you can decide if it's worth it or not. I understand you're working on the new game mode and would not be disappointed if you scrap them or save them for later
I appreciate your work and dedication to KAG Getti and hope everything goes well

 

Maybe have the stun only last a 1/4 second, just enough to interrupt a charged shot or slash. I think the self-stun is a must.

 

Hell yes. I've been wanting this to happen for so long.

 

I think its pretty cool but i feel that only Builders should have the option to stun with the bucket. Knights and archers already have water stuns so it would be nice if the builder also had something similar to protect themselves. Knights and archers having bucket stuns i feel would be too op.

 

Knights and Archers both have water options that are better than the bucket so it wouldn't make much sense for them to use it.

 

you seem to forget buckets can be refilled

 

I thought about sponges having some negative stun action, like if you throw a sponge at teammates it negates stun.

 

Actually I did not.
Using a bucket in a shallow pool or underwater is not OP unless you build specifically around it due to the self stun, if you have 1 builder stunning full time you get a short burst every few seconds and not a constant stream.
If you use it while underwater you could drown someone but may drown yourself if you don't have doors.

Buckets would only stun enemies and the user, and thrown buckets stun only enemies.

Thank you FBB for moving the thread

 

Buckets already break when thrown enough to splash (see OP)

 

Interesting, Doesn't necessarily need to be changed though as the bucket will be right by the enemies you stunned.

 

Is this still being considered?

 

Keep the buckets empty.

 

On one hand this would be a good way to allow builders to support their team a bit more, and encourages the battle builder playstyle.

But on the other hand, it adds more water stuns to the game. Water stuns are frustrating and unfun to play against because you can be stun-locked for long periods of time and the only counter-play is to buy a sponge.

What if instead; the bucket didn't stun, but just pushed back enemies?
This would allow builders to still make some cool plays like knocking an invading knight off the top of a tower, or pushing someone into a trap, without adding more water stuns to the game.