BUILD 1215 - Rebalance and Fix Central

Anonymuse · Aug 15, 2014

All this crap being spewed about jab spamming being OP...

The real MASSIVE benefit about the jab stun is so that you have a chance against some goddamn knight who keeps slashing and continuously jumping on your face. If you're playing a good knight, there's absolutely no escape, and that sucks. I like the idea of a well placed single jab to stop him from totally anal-hilating you.

Also, this means you're going to have to time your slashes EVEN BETTER instead of rando rubber-banding double slashes being the cure-all for shitty unimaginative knights.

Everything about this update is great, and I'm so glad Geti and others such as norill and Skinney helped get it all together to make gameplay more balanced and less mindless. Thanks guys.

neil58 · Aug 15, 2014

So you can rebind emoticons, so I can spam hearts nonstop?

Sphere · Aug 15, 2014

Not working out for me, crashing when joining servers...

Anonymuse · Aug 15, 2014

neil58 said: ↑

So you can remind emoticons, so I can spam hearts nonstop?
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Yeah, you should be able to bind different emotes for numbers and/or letters, haven't tried yet though. (at work kek)

Lawrence_Shagsworth · Aug 15, 2014

Really enjoying the features in this update! Oh how I will miss you wall-gliding. Congrats @Geti & co!

TheAverageMan · Aug 15, 2014

Welp, my whole post basically got deleted so I'll keep it short
Okay, so the new update seems fine, I quite like some aspects of it -however, wall running, wall jumping and gliding were a super important aspect to being a knight. Now, all a builder has to do is build a short 1x1 pillar upwards and that halts everything that a knight can do unless you have a co-operative battle builder with you. Love it all, but man, those aspects were integral to what being a knight meant imho.

8x · Aug 15, 2014

click on forceupdate on Kag folder; or make a clean installation.

Blue_Tiger · Aug 15, 2014

Geti said: ↑

Special Arrow spam discouraged
When firing special arrows with legolas, you will automatically switch to normal arrows for the 2nd and 3rd shots. This is to further encourage actually aiming with special arrows instead of just spamming 3 bomb arrows at a tower with triple shot.
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Thank you! Water arrows have a use!

Edit: Nevermind, this feature is broken. I've fired water arrows, which shot two and still didn't switch to normal arrows - it switches to an empty bow. Also, people were bombing our base with Legolas .

Anonymuse · Aug 15, 2014

Blue_Tiger said: ↑

Thank you! Water arrows have a use!
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Oh shit, I didn't even think of that. THAT'S SO AWESOME! I can't wait to spam the underpriced arrows when I get home.

Skinney · Aug 15, 2014

TheAverageMan said: ↑

Welp, my whole post basically got deleted so I'll keep it short
Okay, so the new update seems fine, I quite like some aspects of it -however, wall running, wall jumping and gliding were a super important aspect to being a knight. Now, all a builder has to do is build a short 1x1 pillar upwards and that halts everything that a knight can do unless you have a co-operative battle builder with you. Love it all, but man, those aspects were integral to what being a knight meant imho.
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Depending on the height of the tower and your nearby team mates, you have quite a few options for getting past small front line towers.

Bomb jump

Demolition

Shield up to provide a platform for other Knights, this can be performed by multiple Knights to create taller platforms

Utilize arrow ladders created by friendly Archers

Utilize ladders created by friendly Builders

and more

Notice how a lot of the options I have listed require friendly players? A big part of this update is to put an emphasis back into teamwork and make Knights less of a lone wolf powerhouse.

Kububv · Aug 15, 2014

Okay, so the one thing I'm confused by here is the stun range reduction for arrows. I'm probably just a mega scrub, but it seems to me that if you want to fend off a knight you need to have a decent amount of skill with the archer just to keep him at bay with the stuns, so why make it harder?

Skinney · Aug 15, 2014

Kububv said: ↑

Okay, so the one thing I'm confused by here is the stun range reduction for arrows. I'm probably just a mega scrub, but it seems to me that if you want to fend off a knight you need to have a decent amount of skill with the archer just to keep him at bay with the stuns, so why make it harder?
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Arrow stun range was reduced because Knights mobility was reduced, It's now much easier to maneuver around a Knight as an Archer. If the stun range wasn't reduced Archers would be night impossible to catch as a Knight.

Boea · Aug 15, 2014

Can we get that weird bomb jump inertia from classic again? That was the tits.

Apronymous · Aug 15, 2014

In case anyone was wondering, the death tips are managed by Base\Rules\CommonScripts\ShowTipsOnDeath.as which reads the tips out of Base\Rules\CommonScripts\HelpfulDeathTips.cfg

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To hide these tips, and other in-game help, hit F1.
Enemies can use your tunnels so protect them well!
Spikes will stun you for a short period of time.
Saws will kill you instantly
Placing spikes on neutral ground can hurt your team too, try placing them on stone bricks!
As an archer you can move faster using the grappling hook.
You can put out fires using water bombs or water arrows (as well as a bucket of water)!
As a knight, jabbing isn't always effective, try charging for a slash!
A builder can be more useful on the front lines than in their base!
Wood blocks and walls can be set on fire, try using stone alongside the wood.
Don't run wildly into the battlefield with a keg, you might have it stolen!
Pay attention to the ground, there may be a trap waiting!
Bomb arrows can be used to collapse towers quickly.
If you see materials on the ground, take them to a builder or put them in your storage!
Water bombs and water arrows stun your enemies for an easy kill.
Pay attention to your minimap for enemy tunnelers.
Don't let siege weapons fall into the wrong hands! Immobilise them once in position.
Press [SPACE] to light and throw a bomb, [C] to pickup.
Keep your ballistas safe - if an enemy takes it, they can use it against you!
Drills can overheat while being used, look for bodies of water nearby to save time and resources.
Keep your workshops secure; the knight shop in particular.
Teamwork is the key to success!
Try to help your team mates if the situation gets tight.
As a knight, you can put your shield up in the air to glide.
Wood blocks are cheaper than stone blocks, but are also weaker and can catch fire.
1 bomb can deal up to 3 hearts of damage.
Drills are a fast way to dig, but give you 50% less stone! Don't use them during build time!
Good players can play any class when needed.
Make sure you're helping your team advance; don't just hide out in the back!
Ride a shark on land and press up to pick him up.
A red name indicates a server admin - ask them for help if you need it.
A bush plus a mine equals happy fun time.
Try not to die in doors - it'll let enemies through.
If you see an object/body holding a door open - move it away!
Don't use ballistas for defense, rather, bring them to the front lines!
When you encounter a player named Arcrave, make sure to use water bombs!
Visit the KAG forums for more friendly help and advice!
A bomb's timer lasts four seconds before exploding
When you light a bomb, let the fuse burn down before throwing it so your enemy can't react!
If you're throwing a bomb, jump in the direction that you're aiming to throw further!
Try bomb jumping: drop a bomb on the ground, then jump and shield downwards as it explodes!
If your enemy throws a bomb too early, you can pick it up with [C] and throw it back!
You run the risk of walking into mines or traps in dark tunnels - be careful!
Retracting spikes deal less damage and have a delay, but are less likely to hurt your own team.
Supporting solid walls with backwalling is important but often overlooked.
Collect hearts, fish and grain in your inventory so you can heal later on.
Team mates will not be happy if you light a lantern in their secret tunnel.
As a builder, block up the enemy doors to trap them in their own base.
Kill/death ratios are not the ultimate aim of the game, winning the match is.
Make sure you're spending your coins after you've gained a decent amount!
No class is bad when the player is good.
Prioritize building flag protection and forward towers over traps during build time.
Going knight and heading forwards is often more helpful to your team than endlessly fortifying your base.
The best defense is a good offense!
No matter how majestic your tower is, with no offensive units you will lose.
Mines are most effective near the enemy base - not your own!
As archer, you can put a mine in your inventory, grapple to the opponent's base, and place it there.
If you put a mine in your inventory, it can pop out when you die, potentially killing enemies and destroying structures.
Hearts, fish, grain, burgers and steaks all heal you.
Always try and have a few water buckets ready in case anything catches on fire.
Archers shouldn't be afraid to get up close and personal when the situation requires it.
Kegs can hurt both your team and the enemy - use them wisely.
You can climb arrows that are stuck in blocks to climb upwards.
Archers can make arrow ladders by shooting arrows at tower walls.
Hold chickens to glide further.
There is a red barrier during build phase which will disappear on match start
Don't be afraid to let people know you're new - they may lend a helping hand.
Try to get video evidence of people griefing or hacking first before yelling for an admin.
Press E around dead bodies to check for useful things in enemy (or ally) corpses!
Not a good builder? Gather materials and toss them to someone else who looks like they are!
Stalling the enemy, even for a few seconds, gives your team mates time to respawn and regroup.
Archers can stun a knight at close range. Watch out for slashes though - don't get too close!
Falling blocks can damage you - be careful!
Dropped from a high place, kegs can explode on impact.
Stationary archers are an easy target - make sure to keep moving.
See all those resources dropped by dead players? Your builders could sure use those.
Gold servers are official while blue servers are modded.
If your doors are shaking, they will fall apart without support!
It's dangerous to go alone.
Make sure to return to your tent during build phase (and afterwards) for a hefty resupply!
You can rebind your keys in the settings to suit your play style and preferences.
If you hit the ground while shielding downward you'll gain a speed boost until you move your shield!
Your main base should be finished by the end of the build period, builders should focus on forward defenses.
When knights shield upward, other players can stand on them to get past obstacles.
Not all arrows need to be triple shots! Single shots are more consistent
You can replace wood with stone without breaking the block. This is a good way to stop fires before they spread.
More than one game has been lost because a flag-runner couldn't get back into their base - make ways in and out!
Fish, chickens, and even bushes all have uses. Don't randomly attack them.
Quarters (food shop) in a forward base helps keep pressure on the enemy.
If you want a shop built, build it yourself! If a builder hasn't built it already, they probably wont.
Even if your team is losing, stay 'til the bitter end. Sometimes these things turn around.
Sideways platforms at the top of a tower will help prevent enemies from climbing over.
Stomping enemies is great tactic, but be careful - jump from too high and you'll die if you miss.
Buy eggs to replenish your stock of chickens.
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rymcd · Aug 15, 2014

I love this update already.

Medieval · Aug 15, 2014

Gonna love this update!
Drill builder only, great!
Nerfing knight, great!

seems teamwork is back, for real.

Sphere · Aug 15, 2014

I think the knight swipe range/radius should have been shortened a bit

Shadowor · Aug 15, 2014

I'm glad this happened, nice update. Gives me the classic version feeling.

TheDirtySwine · Aug 15, 2014

Rayne said: ↑

did you even try the new build? just jab spamming will get you killed. the stun added is to stop opponents from just rushing in and recklessly using their slash like everyone was doing before. previously, who cares if you lost a heart, they drop one when they die to your slash right? with this you'll be able to punish opponents that leave themselves open. now it's not about who can slash best, but who can fully use the knight to the best of it's abilities.
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I'm traveling atm so I won't be able to test the new build for another week. I hope that it enhances knight combat. I'm glad to hear that it's better than it was tho :)

Nivlac_13 · Aug 15, 2014

I have come back from the dead to say that I like this update.

I like this update

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