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BUILD 1215 - Rebalance and Fix Central

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Geti, Aug 15, 2014.

  1. AJFaas

    AJFaas Base Burner
    1. supr sekrit cln [skrt]

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    Are you guys even serious? Snake is a very good player and lumeos isnt as good as him, but hes also a very good player. Sangfroid is also a very good player. whats the point in calling good people pretty awful? In matter of fact, im not saying youre very bad Ej but, youre way below of what you should be with all the time you have stuck in this game. Youre barely average.
     
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  2. Asu

    Asu THD Team THD Team Forum Moderator

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    About this, yes.
    But for fighting together in small groups, no.
     
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  3. I never said I was good :^).
    Lumeos isn't good. Barely anyone is good in this game. Tons of people make awful mistakes all the time. That's not good play.
     
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  4. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Gee, hasn't this turned into such a lovely thread
     
  5. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    no one is butthurt we just dont like the way the game is going and are getting insulted because of it and dont think your posts mean as much as you think they do....
     
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  6. Asu

    Asu THD Team THD Team Forum Moderator

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    Lumeos is. I often played with him and, being like two mans army, we often was capping the enemy flag (One opening the flag base as archer with a bmbarw, the other taking the flag while pushing enemies back and giving the flag to the archer to cap it).

    I don't find it fun in anything.
     
  7. Rayne

    Rayne ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator Tester

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    then give it time? people will learn, it hasnt taken them long to figure out about builders being needed more on the front lines, they'll learn to fight together as well.
     
  8. Asu

    Asu THD Team THD Team Forum Moderator

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    Maybe, but how many time would it need? These changes are largely too brutal.
     
  9. Vidar

    Vidar KAG Guard Donator Tester

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    One thing I've noticed is power slashers are not use to using there shields to block since they use to be able to be stunlocked by quick slashes. It made a defensive knight a non reality. Shields have tremendous function now. Knights coming in close to quick slash are not considering that they are exposed now. Powering up takes time, during that time you are exposed. You can't come in close to spam a quick slash now, because your going to get jabbed and stunlocked. Quick slashes are best used from a distance right outside jab range or after a stunlock now. If someone is jab spamming use your shield. Disengage. Counter with shield stomping, jab slash combinations, etc.

    I can tell that the goal of this build in part was to mitigate slash-chicken (@allknowingfrog term) combat and make shield and jabs viable tools. Geti's circle of power.

    Unfortunately it comes down to an unwavering difference in opinion on the knight class. It was either too powerful or just right. For better or for worse they are now more dependent on builders and teammates as a whole.

    My impression so far is that it was a really good decision. A month from now I'll have a better idea if that's true or not.

    I understand the anger. You get really, really good at something then it all changes. Alpha players went through this when it had to be retired for Beta.

    Change is hard, especially when you honed your skills to a specific version of combat. It's happened dozens of times over 3 years.

    They are doing the best they can.

    I'm going to play for a month before I make any sweeping judgement about this build. But I can tell they were very thoughtful about it and I'm having a great time.
     
  10. Horse_That_Goes_Ni

    Horse_That_Goes_Ni Your favorite Persian Staff Alumni Donator

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    I played a ctf match on Lk's ctf server. An archer helped all our knights up a tower as we destroyed their tower with bombs. Next an archer shot open the knight shop as we stole their kegs. My first instinct was to destroy the flag room. I take the flag as some of my allies escort me back. We won the game using teamwork. I have to admit, this is actually a pretty darn good update. :^)
     
  11. Thiamor

    Thiamor Horde Gibber
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    If people want to have a say, they become a tester.
    It's certainly not really that hard I'd assume. If you want to contribute, you put your time out there, and test for bugs. Not bitch and cry because your broken and abused mechanics were removed since they planned on removing it since it was first implemented. It's not so simple as "find broken issue, fix it, be happy".
    It's more like "Find broken issues, work months on it, and then add it for testers. Repeat until desired results."

    It doesn't matter what the other players think if all they do is abuse the glitches and not actually give feedback like normal players who care about a broken game. Now onto the players bitching about the glitches and shit being removed.

    People crying about it becoming part of the game is irrelevant since it was never intended on staying from the start of it's broken conception. Of course people wouldn't cry if they never originally got used to it, but every game has glitches that players abuse, until the devs can finally work up a solution that can remove it or fix it in it's entirety.

    The time a glitch stays active should not at all effect what the end results should be, no matter if people like it.
     
  12. AJFaas

    AJFaas Base Burner
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    Yes indeed because you only have 4 hearts. and can die with one slip up. Even sangfroid is making tons of mistakes. You cant compare people to unrealistic measures. A good player on kag is someone who gets shit done and knows timing, and im sure there are other factors. But dying and making stupid mistakes is part of kag.
     
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  13. ShnitzelKiller

    ShnitzelKiller Haxor

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    the game sure crashes a lot more now, particularly when joining servers. Particularly when joining the Black Death CTF server.
     
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  14. Superblackcat

    Superblackcat baideist baide Staff Alumni Tester

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    Mfw ranks Lumeos and Snake over Sang, who I can tell, topped the BD charts for a very long time now.


    I can also tell you that he prefers this build over the previous ones.
     
  15. UltraMarine_Val

    UltraMarine_Val Bison Rider
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    OOOOOOOHH MY GOD THIS UPADE IS AMAZYGAWESOME !
    MORE STRATEGIC !!!
    Is really awesome because noobs can't just get fucked by pro whis the slash now :D
     
  16. Potatobird

    Potatobird Haxor Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Now this thread has become people comparing epeens and beating chests to see whose opinion matters most. Any actual thoughts/observations are getting buried. Ah well, I guess I didn't want to read this thread anyway
     
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  17. Nighthawk

    Nighthawk gaurenteed shitter

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    > Says to listen to older players
    > Has 10 posts on the forums
    You're not exactly a stellar member of the community yourself, buddy.

    This update makes me perfectly happy. I haven't gotten a chance to try out the changes yet (on a trip), but I think a lot of these changes are definitely going to have a positive effect, especially removal of the knight wallclimb glitch.
     
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  18. BillyWeedman

    BillyWeedman Haxor

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    The update is alright, all these people crying will get used to it eventually Jab spamming is not really so OP as many others think

    But mines were overnerfed. Mines should either do a bit more area damage or cost 10 coins less
     
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  19. Asu

    Asu THD Team THD Team Forum Moderator

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    Ahah, why do you think I didn't? I applied, I have multiple testing environments, I wished to help as possible using a lot of my personal time, and I got refused. No apparent reason, and some people was just telling me it's because "they don't like me".

    I'll play a bit more to see if I really like the update. But I'm not sure so.

    Edit :
    Why yours are? I don't know you and you have 27 posts. You just seem to be a complete troll, viewing your avatar and your messages.
     
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  20. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    if we are crying about the build then you are crying about mines...
     
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