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Build 1233 - Builders and Archers

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Geti, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    Another balance and fix build, this time addressing builders and archers much more than knights.

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    Be wary of falling spikes!

    Builders
    • RepairingBuilders can now repair damaged blocks for the cost of a full block, which helps avoid structures collapsing and makes maintenance much more convenient. Doesn't work on doors/platforms/traps/spikes etc yet - just solid wood/stone blocks.
    • SpikesSpikes now pass cleanly through 1 wide holes, and shouldn't get "stuck" on background walls any more.
    • Buggy Hitting
      A few more bugs have been fixed in builder hitting - there are a few more that will be getting attention in the next build, but most notably you should be able to attack enemy structures through team-mates again (no more asking knights "please move i cant hit the door")
    • One Hit Kill Mines
      Builders can now more easily defuse mines without mishap to allow offensive mines to be sensibly countered without interfering with their utility elsewhere.
    Archers

    • Triple Shot Changed
      The triple shot is no longer an inaccurate streaming 3 shots, instead it's a 3 shot "shotgun". Charge times are the same.
      This serves 2 purposes:
      • a little easier to use in support and CQC, as there's more tolerance missing with a cone of shots than 3 relatively straight shots.
      • Reducing tower spam, as the enforced cone of fire means that firing mindlessly from a tower is hopelessly inefficient - firing at groups still works but you need to focus your single shots if you want to snipe, not just mindlessly overcharge.
    • No "pierced" sprites
      We felt that this was just unneeded clutter and took the opportunity to remove the "stuck in arrows" - they were hurting FPS and sometimes obscured the team of various units (not to mention had crazy results with siege engines and boats)
    • Can climb arrows in all structures
      Arrows should stick into all structures in such a way that you can use them as arrow ladders, this includes platforms, traps and doors.
    Knight
    • Only real knight relevant change is very slightly slower jabs - they may be able to be slowed more but they're almost back to the previous build rates currently, going to move slowly on this one.
    Fixes and Tweaks
    • Clantags displayed differently
      They'll show up in chat and on mouse hover, but not in the scoreboard; this is an experiment to see if it helps player identification, we might need a separate column in the scoreboard for clantag, feedback here is welcome, leave it in the forum thread. Clantags are also accessible by script for modders now.
    • Arrows hit mines again (this was a bug).
    • Flag blocks building in slightly smaller space.
    • Fixed water stunning teamies on direct hit.
    • A lot of stuff doesn't decay or decays much more slowly.
    • "Recent Damage" is tracked a little longer - no more missing kills for fire arrows.
    • Pickup priority tweaks - still not perfect by any stretch but should be more predictable now at least, as it's based on your position instead of a weird combination of cursor and player.
    Have Fun!

    Max/Geti
     
  2. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    Wonderful build! Hope I can try it soon!
     
  3. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    There are no EU servers?

    EDIT: Good update! (I like all updates!)
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2014
  4. Shadowor

    Shadowor Shark Slayer

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    Thank god, nice bug fixes. Time to make my ladders and burst them in the head behind the tower :bow:
    I guess servers needs to update too, so you have to wait for them to show up.
     
  5. startselect3

    startselect3 Arsonist

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    wow, decreasing jab spam?! omg geti thank you <3 ill be playing kag a lot more now
     
  6. BillyWeedman

    BillyWeedman Bison Rider

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    I read the changelog, seems interesting, gonna try out this new build today. Good job devs
     
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  8. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    When will you fix TTH?
     
  9. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    Wow I tested the new archer and I really love how effective legolas shot is at close range! I think this should stay in the game; however, I fear that it's going to be incredibly difficult for any class to get into close range of a somewhat skilled archer. I'm not sure how we could change this... maybe revert the cost of bombs back down to 20? Still a fantastic build!
     
  10. Leo

    Leo Bison Rider

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    "A lot of stuff doesn't decay or decays much more slowly", ehmm... does this mean more blobs for the server to handle or what ???
     
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  11. Fuzzle

    Fuzzle Grand Grumbler

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    Rest in peace, tunnels. Give drills my regards. "Gold need to have a use!"
    "We want structures to have more of a purpose" .. "Let's make it impossible to gather stone!" .. Hmm?
    No reason to be knight; archers and builders rule. Eventhough "Build 1233 - builders and archers" fit quite well I would've named it "Build 1233 - stalemates only".
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2014
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  12. revert to b190 so everybody's happy
     
  13. DatNobby

    DatNobby Bison Rider

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    revert to build 30 pls
     
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  14. Mazey

    Mazey Haxor Global Moderator Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Official Server Admin

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    @Geti re "Doesn't work on doors/platforms/traps/spikes etc yet"
    Not yet, so it will? Not sure if good idea, wasn't in classic too
     
  15. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    I agree. I think replacing doors and platforms could be a pain in the ass for a battle builder trying to get in. Idc about spikes or trap doors tho
     
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  16. Brownies

    Brownies Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    Nice Update, Love Legolas Shot Omg
     
  17. Asu

    Asu THD Team THD Team Forum Moderator

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    AWESOME update.
    Most balancing problems are now fixed... Though, mines seems to be a bit overnerfed and pointless now.
    Haven't tried archer shotgun legolas, but... Isn't it too op..? Haven't tried this already, but wouldn't it be easy for archers to rek knights?
     
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  18. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    At close range yes. I tried it for about 5 minutes this morning and I could get in slashing range of knights and still shred through their shield.
     
  19. Shadowor

    Shadowor Shark Slayer

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    It serves it's purpose right. Effective at close range, but very inaccurate at long range, you gotta use your 1 shots for that. It is true that now you shoot faster with charged shots, maybe it should take more time to charge up. Personally I think this triple shot is good, not a buff but a change in the class.
     
  20. franek123

    franek123 The architect of the royal castle. Donator Tester

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    Spikes op plox dnt fix.