Build 1233 - Builders and Archers

Get off my lawn!

 

RIP my PC.

At first, I was going to scream about this over the replies of this thread, but I thought I should at least give it a game (or until there is a billion things on the battle field and nothing is decaying so my PC explodes, see above).

I feel like this is a bit pointless and is a huge change which makes me want to cry. I don't hate change, but only if there is a point to it, and there isn't much point to this. At close range, I'm pretty sure that the shotgun doesn't hit multiple shots very often due to the inaccuracy, meaning that hitting a knight cannot stun them and then hit them to deal hearts. This means that a knight is pretty safe against a single archer with his shield up and doing naught (even at close range). However, as soon as he puts his shield down, he's toast - it takes 0 skill to hit one arrow at a knight so long as you have it charged so you're way too safe now.

Vs. archers is similar, you both just spam your shotgun with an almost 100% hit rate with minimal skill required since it just goes everywhere at once. It makes archer battles really really luck based, or rather whoever shoots first wins.

I guess the point of it is to reduce the number of camping nubs just spamming their Legolas down - but to be honest, I've found Legolas to be rather pointless at long range. Sure, you can spam some shots to make it harder to dodge, but the inaccuracy can be really irritating and make the game feel so much more luck based. However, the shotgun actually makes creating undodgable arrows easier since rather than each firing one after the other, they all fire at once, surrounding the target.

I barely play knight, but having a 2 archer vs 1 knight already seemed annoying when one was on each side. It seems like as soon as he looks one way, he gets shot from the other - however with this, you can actually just shotgun their back - previously, they'd be able to notice by the second or third arrow and turn but now, they all just go at once so what the heck. Also, you can much more easily take out a knight with both archers being on one side, one breaks the shield, the other shotguns - previously, you'd need some solid teamwork to get all 3 arrows in on one stun.

Long story short, I prefer Legolas over shotgun.

 

Yes, but not a lot. I think it's more about dinghies, and few other stuff, but more importantly materials, I think? Anyways, these are not very performance-hungry so it shouldn't be a large problem.

 

The-Cub is right.
And there is as much (maybe MORE) archers-campers as before. And now there is archers spamming arrows. Great.

Also, 50 gold to build a single tranposrt tunnel is way too expansive: 10, 15 gold would be enough

 

!vote 30

 

I really like the new archer changes I just think that there needs to be a way to counter how effective they are at close range

 

I found the arrow spam slightly irritating but the amount of arrows was high only because number of archer players was high. I'd say the class balance is pretty spot-on right now though. You can do outstanding plays and fend your own as an archer just as you can do as a knight, the playstyles just heavily differ and archer gets kills at a slower rate. Good archers can stomp average knights and good knights can stomp average archers. Good knight vs good archer comes down to items, movement and timing. Only thing I'd change at this point is to allow knights to shield immediatly if they score a slash to reduce the window of vulnerability. You should be rewarded for scoring a hit.

An all-archer team is going to have weaker offense than a team with a good composure of classes. An all-knight team will have harder time pushing past well-made obstructions if there are no archers with bomb arrows. Archers will also have easy time picking off builders from the all-knight team because they aren't pressured by enemy archers. The classes also really compliment each other in cqc now. Wish I had recorded myself and malfunction at the bottom of their tower, rekking everyone who would fall down with chain stuns.

Damn, the game should've been like this at release. Knight _was_ OP and I'm sure a lot of people quit because of that.

 

If you could make the Frisson 'f' so I can type it in the clan tag slot without having to edit files to get it in, that'd be super cool. :3

 

I found out the trick to playing guys!

1. Carry hearts everywhere! As soon as a shotgun hits you, just give yourself the heart, and spam some more shotguns at your archer foes.

2. Timing - Previously, playing archer was mostly about aiming where your opponant was going to go and less about timing - now, I find most fights happen where two archers are both hidden and then jump up and spam - remember to go just before you think they will go .

Also, don't chase other archers who carry a heart - I can get chased by 3 archers at once, but I can just spam behind myself and hit all 3.

I'm not saying because I think I'm good at this whole shotgun deal, I'm just getting a little bored of others playing like they normally would and getting destroyed.

P.S.

Spoiler

This is the single best I've ever played :P.

 

Great.. I was hoping for a change in the opposite direction, things to go away faster, and we go in the other side. This means even worst lag for clients. Wait and see.

 

Hearts are dieing automaticly, but i think their decay got lowered too

Which is not really good in fact because archer skills should mainly be about aiming skills

@MadRaccoon noob ratio

 

Yes, but with the amount of enemies you kill, you're constantly getting new hearts :P.

 

WOOOOW

 

Yeah, don't like the Legolas fix. The shotgun is a nice spike to any dummy knight without his shield up, but it seems much harder to get a shield stun...

The nice thing about the old legolas was using the first arrow to stun the knight then get two free hits in if he was door camping for example. Also it gave you control when you wanted to release the arrows, so you could fire one, hold onto it for a second and then fire the rest. I've been playing around with the archer for about half an hour and so far the best strategy for the new designed is to just spam the air as much as possible (since it harder to aim individual arrows, firing in the general direction without a care is just as valid). Ocasionally getting three arrows on a dummy IS a very nice feeling, but most smart knights keep their shields up and it seems to block all three shots? I dunno, i need more time to test it out.

My main concern is that it dumbs down the archer, giving less control of where the arrow goes and when to fire each arrow, and not providing a nice reliable stun with two follow-up shots (i THINK, still has to test this as i said). It also.. feels less cool? The quick *Twock twock twock* sound effect of three arrows firing was very satisfying.

Other changes seem fine. Like the repair one.

 

I absolutely love the changes now that I got to test them out more. I'm a very offensive player so playing archer was hard for me before because I'd always die without doing much damage. Now that I have a shotgun shot I can be way more aggressive and effective! I think this was a wonderful balance update! There are only a few things that need to be fixed and I'd be fine with the game.

1) Shooting special arrows wont let me get back to normal arrows after I'm out of special arrows
2) Make the builder a little stronger and all classes seem very balanced.

I think a lot of the people that don't like the archer changes probably camped a lot and played archer defensively, but with the new changes you'll have to play a lot more aggressively which I like because it keeps the game even more fast paced!

WONDERFUL JOB DEVS!

 

i dont like what it has done to the archer class but i suppose it is necassary to speed up matches with arrow ladders

 

I have no complaints for anythuing in this build, but I was hoping for elaboration on "A lot of stuff"?

Also, the build looks really solid on paper. Let's hope it plays out that way.


Edit: I'm seeing a lot of postsaddressing changes not in the changelog??

Yeah, why would you alter the cost of tunnels? They were fine. 50 gold on maps that have almost no gold is ridiculously inflated and stupid. They shouldn't cost any gold at all. If you have a problem with tunnel spam, I don't see why, especially now that the enemy can use them as well as yourself.

Edit2: To clarify, Tunnels are stalemate enders. When you get desperate, tunneling under a base and putting a tunnel down becomes the most efficient way to break into a base. Now that tunnels cost gold, which, even if you increased the amount of gold on maps a bit, is still very finite, this means that once the gold has run out, you have no stalemate ending item like a tunnel. They are essential for forward bases and I do not like this change one bit.

 

If they cost 50 gold as in resources that's too much! Make them cost 50 coins and that will still prevent tunnel spam

 

Just wanted to let you know, I'm a player who rarely camps, but with all the sky shotgun spam, large servers require you to camp or just have endless raining arrows come from the sky killing you.