Devlog Build 1492 - Mechanisms and More!

Certain things already break underwater, like ladders and catapults/ballistas. I'd love to see this.

I do think, though, that stone doors should never break from water alone. It would break a lot of maps focused around water bases. Wood doors breaking is fine, though.

 

Things to fix for next build:

• Smaller bomb radius/ more drag / less return income or higher cost (You can literally stand on top of a tower, get kills, buy more bombs and repeat)

• The diagonal shielding is either really shitty or bomb radius is just to large (I've experienced the most paper shielding with diagonal shielding than anything else. As much as it is used to increase skillcap, it's more frustrating than anything)

• If you aren't going to fix builder code until Rayne comes back, please at least make gathering resources a lot faster. The builder shop buff was fantastic, but it's still very difficult to maintain forward buildings. I spent about 5 minutes setting up a forward base with a shop+tunnel+storage only for a few knights to come and blow it all to bits. Either make gathering resources faster, blocks more damage resistant, or builder the strongest class against enemy bases. At its current state, the knight can do the builders job better than it can. Literally the only advantage a builder has at this point is being the only class that can make shops.

• You should be able to build on logs. I absolutely hate spending a long time spamming c just so that I can move some stupid ass logs out of my way in order to place a block. Wtf?

• This is @Skinney 's idea, but he explained how the archer should have more options when fighting because in it's current state the best option is either spamming half shots or shotgun. There is simply no need for a fully charged shot. The solution is to make full shots do 1.5 hearts of damage so it won't necessarily 2 shot a knight, but it will make them want to be a bit more careful. After practicing archer for the last few weeks, I can agree that this is a well needed buff. You need to maintain great accuracy with an archer while being mobile enough not to get hit by any hazards that come your way. Not only that, but it struggles to compete with a knight who has a much greater amount of health and damage output.

 

FBB: Yes lol you know what I meant

Tato: I agree with the fact that a knight can just heal to full health with a fucking grain or a fish. I got a knight all the way down to half a heart and he just so happened to step on a grain and instantaneously full healed. Such a frustrating game mechanic.

As for shotgun: I feel that it's the only way for archers to really compete with a charging group of knights. I often punish knights who leave themselves vulnerable. Shotgun is the strongest attack to really have knights back off. I personally think spamming half shots are more effective at taking out archers because archers don't have shields to protect them and only take two shots to kill.

General: Would it be a bad thing if builders had 4 hearts, archers had 3 and knights stayed the same? Bombs would still be really strong against all of these classes. Builders could use better survivability because they're shitty as it is. And knights wouldnt have a problem slicing through them anyway because of their strong damage output.

 

I've always been for archers getting 3 hearts, but why bump builders to 4?
Re: shotgun, it's not OP at all imo, should maybe even have slightly reduced charging time.
Wood doors decaying in water sounds great, maybe even better than Geti's idea.

 

Just reduce knight explosion radius please. Swine obviously doesn't play archer.

Archer pussies are most effective when spamming full shots, not shotguns (2 of the arrows don't go anywhere + terrible accuracy) and not half/quater shots (unless they are directly below you I guess). If you buff the full shots, you buff the most annoying feature in the game: archers sitting in their nests, shooting arrow after arrow so no archer on the other team can have some fun.

Also, full arrows are effective elsewhere. You hold your button in for just one more millisecond and get a stun. Against knights, that gives you time to move to a better position, against builders, you have the time to combo into a second arrrow (stun lock) and against archers, you can combo into a half shot and gg.

Shotgun spamming is effective, but it is like the jab spamming of archery. Once you understand it, you can just dodge, and rush them down with half and quater shots. Most players who spam shotgun can't handel the pressure of being chased.

Also, please don't buff the health of archers, imagine if archers have even more of an easy game just full shot and shotgun spamming knights where even a slash won't kill them. Not fun for either party I must say.

But yes, reduce the fucking bomb radius, and the bomb arrow damage radius while you're there.

 

Mfw "Swine obviously doesn't play archer"

I've spent the last few weeks just practicing archer. Depending on your team shotgun is either really effective or half shots are the best option.

I'm suggesting a heart buff only if the archer got a buff on the full shot. That way you wouldn't see builders get instant killed by two shots and archers could still go down in two shots.

 

Instead of being able to build over wood in an overlay, it should just push the wood out of the way by force when you lay a block, etc, on it. That or somehow crush it into wood mats, but a smaller number than what would be given if you use a Builder to cut at it. This way it'll kill off 2 birds with one stone. Give you wood without having to stop building on your base. Just have to first stop to cut the tree down.

Also for mechanisms, it really needs to be able to have lifts that allow you to move up and down, and possibly some sort of conveyor belt shit to pull say logs down a line that fall into a saw.

 

I wouldn't mine builders gettin more health but for the love god fix their attacks so they don't stick to me like glue as archer and ride me like a horse to the skies

 

Wait, are we really bringing back the archer damage buffs arguments? Oh yes goody!

 

It's realistic: our pickaxes just get stuck in you when we hit you

I really don't see how a health buff for the builder can be justified though. For the archer, sure (2.5 would be best imo but 3 could work too)

 

simple - combine these and remove logs entirely. have trees dump all their wood precut, as if they fell into a saw

 

Then saw is useless and there is no more tactics in breaking / stealing enemy saws.

 

OR, give logs a purpose of existance and bring rafts back to the game!

 

[citation needed]

 

I'd rather not have 1000 wood laying out on the battlefield at all times. Also, thatd be pretty op because im pretty sure knights chop trees faster than builders. thered just be way too much wood floating around

 

This sounds interesting. How were rafts made ingame?