Build 947 - Fixes and Improvements

Yup, still there.

Was fortunate enough to experience one of these WTF moments in our base earlier today.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 21, 2013, Original Post Date: Nov 21, 2013 ---

What Monsteri said.

I've been testing this arrow climbing thing quite a lot today, and it's a cute little addition, that's all.

It's used to nudge 1-2 Knights over a short wall when there is a quiet moment. It's nothing too powerful, simply a tool you can use when there is no Builder around. Arrow climbing removes the frustration of having to call for a Builder, or going back to change class yourself.

 

Legolas shots at a tall wall allowing a knight to climb it can be a nice little help but it requires teamwork and communication. In fact, that's why I like it, I can say "Hey archer, legolas shot that wall please." and then he does it and I feel all BAMF climbing that bitch and taking out some dudes. It's not really overpowered, just a cool addition.

 

For some reason, whenever Archers get any sort of buff, everyone freaks out like it's the end of the world.

 

Nice to see the Archers getting thrown a bone for once. And how the hell can you guys bitch about Knights scaling buildings with Archer assistance when Archers can carry a drill and be through the weakest points in a base before you can even take out one knight! Jeez, just let those paper-thin archers have this one.

 

I agree with you, but this particular buff has at least 3 factors that make it not just an archer buff:
1) It is at the very least a minor nerf to buildings, and by extension, builders. Builders are already somewhat marginalized, so doing that to them is best done with great care.
2) There is no direct reward for the archer in this action, so trumpeting it as an archer buff is questionable. Sure, you don't need to be showered with riches or praise to be a help to your team, but it doesn't hurt! Also, the archer doesn't get any more mobility out of it because he could already scale that wall without breaking a sweat even without the arrow climb.
3) It is also a knight buff. This, in conjunction with bombjumping, makes even walls of biblical proportions able to be overcome by knights in many cases. Knights were already super versatile, resilient, and deadly, so doing anything that helps out just them is worth looking at with a skeptical eye.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the arrow climbing feature (though I must admit I have concerns), but just pointing out that often even small changes have large, numerous, and sometimes unforeseen effects on the game. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but game balance is neither trivial nor easy. So, lets take the thoughts mentioned in this post and the others, and reserve judgment until after we see how it plays.

 

Arrows break after one person "jumps" on the arrow, so it's really not a huge change. It helps Archers contribute a bit more, but it feels a bit wrong in regards to builders.

 

Builders still own arcjers and do just fine vs knights

 

I think stomp has become ridiculously powerful. If you're a knight, crash down on your foes from a mile in the sky, as you won't take fall damage. Builders and archers, just dropkick people. Like seriously, anyone with elevation is practically already the winner before a fight starts (Unless you apply certain advanced tactics).

 

can't you just hold down and *bam*, they fall through you?

 

[modified] all classes can arrow climb

Pure awesomeness guys. Im glad a second one of my ideas made it into the game! Going for 3!

 

Right, that was purely your idea.

 

I don't want to argue here and go off topic, but look through the archer general thread and you will see that I was the first person to suggest it. Thanks to the support of everyone else who actually tried it in game like @hierbo for setting it up on his server, it got momentum to be put in-game.

Im glad the KAG Community is so helpful and great. Great job everyone!

 

Yup, I've done this a few times and it is absolutely hilarious watching people gib when they think they will stomp me.

 

Does this work in water too, by the way?

 

nah you need to be crouching.

 

lol dont want to ruin it for you but this thing was suggested like day 1 of closed beta and the game just had to change and stabilize enough to have it pushed (with some support from testers too)

but gj, you dibsed it

 

Oh. Lol. Sorry. Should have said "First one to make a post on the suggestion category about it" Anyways. Just played a few games with it, super fun.

 

-Sudden realization mode-
I just noticed how slightly op builders + knights are. You know... with their ladders and such. Ladders themselves, while easy to break, are also quite nerfing on buildings. Sooo... archers with their fancy pants arrows shouldnt be a problem since both builders and archers are quite nerfing to buildings now. o-o

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 22, 2013, Original Post Date: Nov 22, 2013 ---

o wo
Oi. Calm down, people can still manage to wall run up the wall the platforms are attached too.. if they have the skill to do so. >w>