Build 963 - Crash fix, Anti-Doorspam, Helpful Tips

Builder is still master race :D But yeah, there is really no need to nerf them.

 

>Meanwhile klok's mod gives builders buffs they've needed for a long time

That being said, I do like the anti-door spam. I think it's a good preventative device, but it should be that doors can be stacked two at a time, not 1. I like to make door overhangs that are two wide, because then my teammates can pop up and down through them. If I can now only make 1-tile wide door overhangs, then enemies can be smart and climb around that. (I know I certainly can, in any case.)

 

Haha, oh god all this butthurt by people who can't even do simple math before blasting their ass on the walls.

Stone doors have been ridiculously strong for a long time, by the way. Now, with well-thrown bomb it's actually possible to destroy either one.

Oh and Klokinator, if you think saw traps are terrible.. why do you use them as traps? Their main purpose is wood gathering. We have spikes, platforms and trap bridges as well. Do you have a single brain cell?

 

I DON'T. Where you ever got that impression is beyond me.

And I feel like you didn't read a single reason I posted about why 100 stone cost is an absolutely awful way of managing saws.

My optimal saw implementation would be:

Reduce wood saw gives.
Remove saw trap capabilities entirely.

That's it. And to be fair, that's exactly what my mod does so I'm not really gonna talk about this anymore.

 

Pls no geti, if a thread all said that saws were op, thats very different from a few people getting mad on a post.

Don't hate us ;_;

Edit: make everyone happy, apply new door method only to wood doors, as they are the only ones that were ever spammed. Stone doors never were spammed and therefore were not part of the problem.

 

Stone doors falling is the only really annoying thing about these changes.
Everything else is great ;)

As JoshTG said, maybe give stone doors a little buff so they stack to two? They cost too much too spam anyways.

 

I am happy at the lack of crashing when I leave servers, thanks a million!

I am unsure what I think about this door nerf though, I hardly build larger doors and tend to only make very horizontal doorframes. . .But at the same time I can't be too positive because this hurts several building designs I use, gets rid of giant boat doors, and effects a lot of buildings I tend to make in creative. Ah well. . .Guess if awkward building solves noobtactics. Oh wow just tested and doors are much weaker now because of this...

I feel the saw nerf was a little more than people were saying, heck, I think the highest number I gave was 30 stone, not 100! Also again, 150 wood+30 stone and a decrease in the wood it produces is all it needs in my eyes.
Also sawtraps might as well be called useless now if there is just one infront of a door, not only are they more expensive, but also you can simply destroy the doorframes with bombs and wait for the doors to collapse, then jump over into where the door was!

Also @Geti, admittedly the reason people tend to lash out after balance updates is because things tend to be changed too much to a different extreme. Remember the old archer nerf a while back? The class went from highly overpowered to highly underpowered, now with the new buffs archer got recently it has finally balanced the class out into a not-too-strong/not-too-weak class. Middlegrounds. . .

 

i have to play a clan war in 12 hours ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

 

Ej ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; but yeah - the doors need more testing but in reality they were kind-of fine as they were?

 

I guess you haven't seen a cancer tower ingame. They stalemated games endlessly as long as a builder maintained one.

 

Yeah, honestly, having seen two or even three cancer designs be put into action I have to reserve my judgement of the new door mechanics. This won't entirely eliminate the infernal, map devouring structures that the likes of @BC and @Deven have made but it helps.

As long as I can still use doors as deep sea submersibles I'm happy.

 

my friend bc always enjoyed making sensible towers like this https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/954-grid-structure.17541/. it wasn't door spam and wasn't looked at as being a troll structure or looking ugly. it was a very effective tower with other variants which could go into spreading across the whole map. However now with this update his towers aren't possible anymore. devs is it possible to fix this? i mean i understand what you were trying to do but now others have to deal with the fact they cant make a perfectly legitimate tower anymore

 

@kedram All you have to do is add one additional block adjacent to each door tile and it works. Use stone blocks against door tiles to keep its fire resistance.

The only impact it has on BC's grid is that will force him to be slightly less of a cheapskate.

 

oh wait, i didnt think of that :<. well thanks man im actually relieved, i cant believe i didnt see that ;/

 

Can somebody tell me about what these "cancer towers" are? I have no idea how just spamming wooden doors can stalemate a game. =/

 

Practically a type of tower that can be repeated as many times as you want all over the map and are super annoying to destroy, I have only ever seen one a few months back but I was able to destroy it myself. . .apparently BC has gotten a lot better at them though.

The popular one is I think invented by JTG? a tower made out of wood doors and wooden platforms, with stone wall behind it all. . .here it is. . .
https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/947-the-cancer-tower-and-struts.17407/

Also things like this can also be considered a cancer tower, as grid cancer towers are the older kind that are still effective:
https://forum.kag2d.com/threads/954-grid-structure.17541/