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Devlog Busy Week - PAX, No Mario's Sky, Butcher, Site Update

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by Geti, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Bint

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    With that colour scheme it is indeed fa6ulous
     
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  2. Achillios

    Achillios Pilgrim

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    F*ck I'm dumb, mixed up Max with MM :)
     
  3. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    Since it'd be a shame for this to only be in a profile post to monkey_feats, modders will now be able to spawn as many pixel particles as they like (up to the engine limit), which is useful if you want to do things like particle "rain", pixel fire effects, and so on.

    Here's a thousand. There's 2048 available.
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  4. FunATuns

    FunATuns Builder Carry Donator

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  5. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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  6. Darksteel

    Darksteel The see me Boulderin', they hatin'. Donator
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    How impersonal can a letter get? "Dear support team." Jesus.
     
  7. Achillios

    Achillios Pilgrim

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    So we can now make jizz mods?
     
  8. Potatobird

    Potatobird Bison Rider Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Aww, they said "Dear" tho, they do care ;)

    The image is probably cropped and it actually says "Love, Nintendo" at the bottom
     
  9. FunATuns

    FunATuns Builder Carry Donator

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    I simply wanted to hear your opinion, @Geti
     
  10. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    It's actually sent to itch.io support, not us.

    Honestly that'd probably be better achieved with animated particles instead of pixels, but I guess so.

    You can see it in full here; looks like it was indeed cropped somewhat. https://itch.io/takedowns/82746

    @FunATuns - I can't read your mind. Randomly tagging me in week old news doesn't imply "I want to hear your opinion".

    I've talked about it elsewhere but basically I think nintendo is reasonably heavy handed about fan projects but are within their rights on the projects they're taking down. Interesting that they used a DMCA here though when we actually had no nintendo assets in-game -> it's trademark infringement, not copyright, but I'm not a lawyer.

    People seem to be treating it like it's a new thing with the recent takedowns of AM2R, Pokemon Uranium, ~500 games on Gamejolt and probably hundreds more across other portals (as well as NMarS) but as far as I'm aware they've always done this; zelda, mario, metroid fangames are pretty much universally taken down.

    We're not really fused with it happening to NMarS because we didn't spend much time on it; I imagine it'd be pretty devastating to those working on much longer projects, but they should have kind of seen it coming, working on a nintendo IP fangame in the first place.
     
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  11. Potatobird

    Potatobird Bison Rider Forum Moderator Mapping Moderator Tester Official Server Admin

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    Yeah I kind of get the sense that once the games are "out there" that's good enough for the creators. I don't see why they'd make them otherwise, it seems like a weird plan to try to make money with a fangame. If that's their angle they can put the work in and convert it to a new thing that's inspired by whatever ip it was a fan game for in the first place, like Freedom Planet.

    I think it's a good thing when the devs get hit with the copyright stuff after the game is done, so then Nintendo gets to protect their ip, but the game still exists.
     
  12. H3llO

    H3llO Shopkeep Stealer

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    No Kag's Sky when?

    Trademark rather directs names, phrases and company logos usage.
    Nintendo has the legal right to protect their work, patents, copyrights etc. just like everyone else, but because they actually do it causes bad publicity. It applies to other media too, but people/companies rarely bother to sue you over fanart, remixes and stuff like that because its not really worth it (a few bucks in exchange for bad reputation). There is no Remix right, you either get a license or make use of "Fair Use" which restricts you make something alike. Though you still might get something like a DMCA notice, because its not for you to decide if its within Fair Use. The least want to bother with a lawsuit against a big company even if they might be right.

    So yeah, Nintendo has quite a history of banning other games (also basically every game on mobile stores), videos and other that is associated with Nintendo. A Nintendo speaker once requested fans, to remove Mario level creator games, because they are obsolete with the release of Super Mario Maker. SEGA instead hired a fangame creator...
    BTW: the GameJolt takedown request for anyone who is interested.
     
  13. FunATuns

    FunATuns Builder Carry Donator

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    I guess I'll leave then.
     
  14. Geti

    Geti Please avoid PMing me (poke a mod instead) THD Team Administrator Global Moderator

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    The reason I bring up the trademark/copyright distinction is that we didn't use any of their actual assets.
    They don't have a copyright on pictures we've drawn - the audio was a potential issue because it was transcribed pretty much directly from some sheet music of "the mario theme" we found, but again was rendered by us, not ripped.

    If it's a trademark, not copyright claim, as far as I'm aware that's not actually what the DMCA is about and using it for a takedown might not be legit, but I'm not about to spend thousands on investigating a 3 day jam game.

    I've got a feeling they just felt it "infringed enough" for there to probably be a legal problem they could pin to us if we took it to court, and lean pretty hard on the fact that they've got much more money and a whole legal team happy to play hardball.

    Again, I'm not a lawyer so "I don't know" :)

    There's indeed a lot of ways to approach it ;) I think nintendo's culture of aggressively pursing anything in this area probably comes from their history; video game crash came from low-quality knock-off games and they overcame that with the nintendo seal of quality and being meticulous as all get out with who could make games for their consoles; especially for their first-party IP. It's not nearly as relevant these days, I feel, but unless there's some high-profile push back against it that actually wins, I doubt anything will change there.

    I guess, but not being able to distribute it officially means that they'll likely not get nearly as much recognition or reach as they might otherwise. In some cases these fan games have been in dev for almost a decade, and imo it's a shame for that work to be "flushed" basically immediately on release.
     
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