Changes for Builders/Bridges

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Temporary fix that shouldn't get everyone too riled up is to make the player stand still while only building wooden structures.

 

Well so far the majority of voters supports the ideas,
I do agree with the ideas but I would like to give 'em a test run before outright putting them in. Its always hard to really wrap your head around what changes like these actually do to the flow.

 

I like the collapsing underground, it seems fair, and also helps matches when theres a ton of pits left over, people just spam drawbridges and they never get broken, now they have to put background wall it won't be so easy.

But I agree, at least with the last point, they'll still fill tunnels with stone, just way before you even get there with a much increased build radius.

 

I forgot about that, digging would be far too powerful. Usually the only thing stopping something collapsing if you dig under is the dirt backwall, but if stuff collapses even on this, then tunneling would just be OP and overused. Not sure about this underground collapsing anymore, unless there's a nerf to tunneling on it's way... Sounds a little overcomplex though.

 

Was wondering when someone will figure this simple fix for issue of digging under structures just to collapse, you just need smart builder... Maybe just a tip that there is a way, will make somebody figure it out... I believe in you! [points into random direction]

 

Perhaps, when wooden structures are added, they could be supported by dirt backwall. This would have the awesome side-effect of encouraging people to make the bases of their buildings on the surface out of wood, which would(badum tisch) make for some lovely weak structures. =D

 

Wonkyth wouldn't wood structures be weak against knight which can break wood? And if the only support they will get is from underground... where they will do tunnels?

 

That was my point. =P

 

And there will be a way to make uncollapsible structures if you are smart as builder... guess ill tell the secret in next 2 or so post here xD

 

Wrap a piece of dirt in stone? =D

 

Bulls eye! You win 1 million imaginary dollars that will be transfered to your imaginary bank account.

Not only you have magically infinite support for any castle and most important the shadow will make it invisible without a builder (can't bomb it if you don't know the place), but when you have the builder under a wall what is the point anyway as he will take whole thing anyway.

 

cmon now....

 

I'm sorry I don't wanna sound mean or anything but this has to be the worst ideas I have ever heard in gaming history. You seriously wanna make the builder class obsolete once the game has started? It's already impossible to do anything without players that actually know what they are doing. Playing as a builder in the frontline is risky as hell as you can't defend yourself offensively. The only way for the builders at the moment to defend them self is building stone blocks, but now you wanna remove that option because knights complain that they can't steamroll builders all the time and because people spam team bridges?

Of course builders will spam team bridges as it is the only block that can't easily be destroyed by a knight. Why would we spam ladders instead of bridges when anyone can climb a ladder?

The only good thing was that you can't build fortifications underground without support.

T: There is a problem here I know this is a team game but whenever I play as a builder I can never get protecting from my knights nor archers, even if I ask and tell them that I'm building a fortification they just run towards and die by the other sides builder's trap.

T: I have never seen this happen, I'm sure it happens in a team environment but only any public server this will rarely happen. This will only make public matchers completely one sided if the other team knows how to play and why would anyone wanna get steamrolled over and over.

T: The only reason I wanna run and build is because I'm having a knight behind me that is capable of running at the exact same speed as a builder. My only way of defending myself against him is to build stone blocks and block his path for a while.

If you still wanna introduce these changes to the game at least, and I'm seriously begging you. Do it as a server options so people can change it at will.

 

on second thought just do this instead of adding some sort of charge time for everything, that sounds kind of ridiculous and would be hell for the build phase

 

Thank you KAG team for discussing this.
After more thoughts, I do agree with the idea that allowing to destroy open drawbridges might solve it all.
And if you think theses changes will prevent builders from stone blocking tunnels when being attacked, you're wrong believe me. As a builder that won't stop me at all, I'll just build the first block a little bit sooner and voila.
About drawbridge, down key opening it and realism, thanks for the reply and infos, you're right it sounds like a crappy idea.

 

Wooow, wow, wow, step back a second and take a deep breath, "in gaming HISTORY"?!
....aaand you sure about that? Cause I sure ain't.

You are also saying that it would make the builder obsolete once the game started... how exactly would that be? Last time I checked someone needs to build the fortifications and ladders for the knights and archers storming the enemy base.
What I see is that with this change it is needed to build your stuff beforehands (making a more-or-less) secure fortification in which you can jump back once you need to instead of building it in the exact moment of the attack.
This is not making the builder obsolete, just harder to play... or rather more farsight is needed to be effective or survive.

It is true that knights do rarely look out for their builder friends, this however is a problem of the players and not a problem of the game. If all the knights in your team don't want to help you out, you are possibly in a bad team.

Also the thing about the only way of defending yourself: you are not supposed to defend yourself against a knight except the desperate hammering in hopes to do some damage to him. That is basically what they want to disable, that you can just pop up (for the knight) indestructable blocks as soon as he is comming for you.

You have valid points, but don't overshadow them by saying ridiculous things like you did at the beginning.