Classes vs. Money and KD

This game is not about K/D. Its about the Team-Win.

I will not talk about archers anymore, you can read my statement in an other thread. They are fine as they are. Learn to play or to use a team.



If the archer would have more money, he would spam bomb arrows. They are the strongest siege weapon in the game with tripple shot. No-one is talking about this.

We are playing a teamgame, a selfish "i want my most favorite class better" thread will not make it better.

 

@WeirdEarb

I agree with you and although I played this game for only few hours (90% of time being an archer) I don't think this class should be boosted or nerfed. It's fine the way it is and the more players are in game the more effective your archer is. In last few battles I had highest score although my K/D ratio was around 1.1:1 - 1.2:1 for most of the game and I easly managed to get over 100-150 coins on a single life just by spamming pretty accurate triple shots. Archers co-operating with builders can do amazing job and triple bomb arrows are so destructive (killed 3 archers by destroying construction they were standing on). I must admit that in 1 vs 1 scenario archer will almost never win against knight but this is not what this game is about.

 

OMG!
More i play in new KAG then more i think what is crappy crap in classes.
Archers looks to nerfed against the background of knights OP, lol.
Need one hit to kill archa, and 3-5 arrows to kill knight in far combat!
Yeah, archers is support class, but not so much that without them the game can do.
Looks KD in Classic and her: Classic- archa 3\1 and more, knight maximum 3/1 (how i play); Beta(yeah, beta, looks unbalanced for me) archa 1/3-4, knight 3/1 and more.
What i wanna say: archers-sux! Or i not understand somethin?

 

The issue I think is the ease of the classes in comparison. Hell, when our team is flagging I always hop on knight and start double slashing away to victory before hopping back onto builder because it seems no one knows how to repair a structure -_-
Plain and simple, knight is easier, more versatile and deadlier.

But that isn't to say the Archer isn't versatile in its own right.

Your only way of defeating a knight is repeated triple shot in close range (10 units will get you stun) which is undoubtedly more difficult (if only just) than holding down LMB and jumping in the direction of the archer.
But you can:

• Light shit on fire! Punish the heck out of builders for making wooden structures (More on this bit later)
• Blow shit up! Expensive but very effective bomb arrows, especially triple shots
• Grapple around! Fastest movement speed and then some with the grapple used right.
• Grapple drill, grapple kegs, grapple stomp! Loads of options here.
• Fake death! It works on pubbies quite well.

The only issue is that in the right hands, certain weapons are debatably OP, while alternatively getting gold to use them basically comes down to stealing bits no one grabs. And of course if a knight gets within a few feet of you, you're dead, but if that was the case you probably weren't grappling right.

TL: DR
Imo if anything the special ammo and gold collection needs to change. As op stated, assists would be awesome. Full charge with special arrows should do something else imo. Like a single, unblockable shot maybe.
In the right hands, fire destroys entire makeshift bases with a single effortless shot, bombs bypass defenses to blow sthuff up, etc.

But sadly, the only thing archer is effective at killing is other archers. Even builders can just slap up some platforms.

 

I agree. Archers need to be buffed a bit.

 

on their own i dont find archers to be that effective but if you got at least one knight being your frontline you can pretty much stop all slashes and double slashes from the opponent. archer vs. knight is like punching a brick wall, its kind of fun and youll eventually bust it down but youll probably fuck up and break something/die

 

In alpha archer would get points based on the amount of hearts inflicted. I'd like to see this happen again.

 

The problem is that Archer is a support class, and this game doesn't credit supportive play. There's no "assist" points, you don't get score just for doing damage unless you get kills (you get like 5 coins for 1 heart of damage as archer, though... but that's pretty much nothing.)

If there was some sort of incentive to supportive play, like assists, i'd feel a lot better playing archer. No matter how good you are at it, your stats are likely going to look like shit, because you can't walk into a group of 5 people and kill all of them in a single attack like knights can with double slashes.

If i arrowstun to enable my knights to kill an enemy, i should get points for it.

If i get a well timed water arrow on an enemy, and they kill themself with a bomb or my allies kill them, i should get points.

If i land a full triple shot on a knight, and all my ally has to do to steal the kill is jab them once, i should get points for that.

I could go on and on. There needs to be some sort of system for tracking supportive play.