CTF is not the best match for this game.

I don't think its as much of an issue as you are saying, Vania. I think part of our disconnect comes from the fact that you are not operating under the assumption that minecrafter distribution is not equal between opposing parties. I think that given the team assignment process it should be equal in most cases.

Also I don't think 5v10 is that bad. 30% of any given team is composed of minecrafters, but another 40+% is composed of people who don't play the game but aren't very good. This may be coming from my CoD background but one vig is worth at least 5 run of the mill archers, so it's really the distribution of good players which is a source of team imbalance.

I'm all for trying alternative game modes, but most of these noobs are probably too uneducated to look into that sort of thing and will probably just occupy the busiest servers, even when the playerbase grows. Even the smarter ones will probably still use normal servers, We already know they are selfish, and based on that we know they will have no qualms crashing normal matches for more people to expose it to. And we know they want to do this because they are not playing solo. In fact I think a lot of these minecrafters probably think they're helping their team. I've argued with several, and they all insist that building super high walls with a bunch of ladders on one side in front of the tent is helping their team.

 

Well, I give up being part of this discussion. I'll end it with, I like Geti's suggestion of a creative mode and hope KAG initially becomes what he envisions it to be. Contrary, there aren't that many crappy players in the game. You'd be quite surprised at the amount of skilled players I've observed so far. Plus, the game is very new and constantly changing with each update so play is always affected. The game will eventually be ironed out into what the devs envision and players will eventually learn better techniques and become more skilled. Give it a few months to a year and you'll see a drastic difference. Vania knows what he's talking about. But, because of the types of players, this game will always be a push-pull scenario. ALWAYS. People play to build and people play to win. Getting the right balance will be difficult and will take a lot studying of how a large group in a server plays together in an average manner. It's never predictable. I was blessed with one round where everyone cooperated, builders stayed with fighters. When a defense fortification was set up, the fighters held the line and the builders mined and gathered resources to help advance further. It was such a beautiful match it almost got me to tears.

Anyway that is all.

 

Both teams build the fort at the same time, then take turns attacking each other.


Yesterday I played a great game of CTF, I had a lot of fun because everybody was playing well (there were no minecrafters surprisingly).
But I noticed the buildings were kept to the strictly necessary: a wall to protect a catapult, a 6 tile high wall protecting an outpost... that's as big as it got.
This happened because it was a very pro match and everybody understood that making defensive structures is not a good idea, what you want to do is keep pushing with catapults and outposts.

 

How about just a match with a 10-12 minute building session?

I also would really enjoy a conquest gamemode.
With neutral indestructible outposts every 1/4 of the map.
Capture all of them and win.

 

How about something similar to payload, in TF2?

Instead of assault, where you try and destroy the base, have a physical object that the attacking team escorts into the base that will completely obliterate the fort once it gets there. Give perhaps five minutes set up time for builders to prepare their initial forts, while the attacking team builds fall back positions should they need them to keep from getting pushed all the way back.

I realize this relegates either red or blue to be designated as the attack/defend team within this particular game mode, but honestly that's not really so bad in TF2. RED always defends, but on CTF maps its a free-for-all.

In my time spent playing KAG, I've never played the gold mode. Is it even still available? All the servers I've seen have been CTF. Having multiple game modes available at once would be great for those people who are on the fence about their class and don't want to weigh down a CTF rush team with their base building long after the initial warm up.

 

I have observed that, in general, more players play engineer than other classes. That is a separate subject though.

I agree with the above quote - the players simply have different goals than competition. And if you look at their structures, they are typically very easy to destroy, and not very functional for defense. No need to build a gameplay mode around them.

That being said - I think another gameplay mode that encouraged NON push pull gameplay would be great as it would add variety.

 

Actually i was thinking of gametypes the other day. King of the Hill would be interesting... though idk how it would work with the destroyable land...
Then you could have your typical Assault, 1 team has a base the other attack. The base could be premade or not. But the problem is that this game is better suited for Push N Pull gametypes. Its kinda hard to think of a gametype that wont have push and pull elements.

 

Yeah, I'm I'm not being paid to design one, so I'll leave it to the creator, hah.

 

So far i liked the idea of the GoldRush gametype, its just they need to change it up a bit and work on how gold is dispersed throughout the maps.

 

I like the idea of a totally flat map of indestructible blocks between the two Flag tents, and hordes of stone and gold behind the tents.

Several variations on the following idea are possible:

1) Spawn a carriage at one teams base. Much like gold-rush in TF2, that team then needs to move that carriage to the enemies base. This carriage can only travel over the indestructible stone, so you'll have to destroy anything in its path (or dig through). This will be easier when MM implements the powder kegs etc.

2) Spawn carriage in middle. Must bring back to your own base.

I like the Gold-Rush version better - it allows for more comeback opportunities. The carriage would move pretty slow in either gameplay mode.

 

If you didnt know already, Bombs destroy bedrock (which is the "Indestructible" block) But that map could actually be made and played (sorta) right now.

Though, that type of map might split the playerbase. (think speed metal maps on Total annihilation, or the maps in Red alert 2 where there was a buttload of resources right near the base.)

 

It would still be workable with 4 or so layers of regular rock + indestructible rock (even by bombs). The engineers would just need to rebuild the road for the carriage. The stone directly under the carriage would have to be un-damageable to prevent collapse.

 

Or, we could have a new building thats like a railroad. and the carriage could only move on that, maybe have it so knights could pick up the carriage But they would move EXTREMELY slow.

 

I'm partial to that idea as well, though from personal preference I'd really like to see a map where it was mostly flag with no gaping huge holes. At least, once more siege equipment is added to compensate for the obvious lack of tunneling on a map like this.

 

Oh i agree the holes are annoying. But the holes are mostly from bomb spam. (no really they are)