Downburst's Recommended Banlist of Ne'er-Do-Wells

ah well, I'll just warn spoo, and STFU about it.
good luck with your list!

 

Hence the: "That wasn't primarily aimed at only you Gofio"

If you mean what I think you mean when you say "Retards", "Retarded" and "Normal people" I think you should really rethink your use of those words.

 

Downburst: Try posting that as the original topic, then. "Universal Banlist" is ambiguous language. "Downburst's Recommended Banlist of Ne'er-Do-Wells" would be better. An OP detailing who is on the list and what criteria lands you on the list would be even better. I'd also suggest claiming this as your personal project, as it is not endorsed in any way by the Guards. That will certainly cut down on all of the confusion and accusations.

 

GIVE THIS DUDE A COOKIE!

 

Look, I'm not questioning Downburst, and I'm certainly not trying to be a dick. A universal blacklist is just a bad idea because, like in Spoolooni's case, he went through a bit of a phase (albeit stupid) where he hated skybridging and took down a few. He's been on the MOLE server and Beo's CTF quite a lot before, and never once has he caused trouble. So because of that, he deserve a UNIVERSAL blacklist? The same can be said for anyone in this game. I argue a lot (sometimes) and often get angry, does this mean I'm gonna end up on it? A lot of admins can use it to really stick it to someone permanently, and I really see this becoming a problem.

 

Isnt there a reason why vote kick option was implemented more thoroughly in kag to fight griefers? People eventually man up and stop griefing. Humans must learn through mistakes to correct their errors.

 

Oh, you can.

Maybe you think it's not fair, but on my own server, I sometimes add people on the blacklist because they're just stupid. For example people who swear for no reason, or people who dig a giant hole behind a team's base that hasn't any purpose, or simply new players who are a nuisance for their own team and don't listen to my tips. Yes, I'm a dictator on my server, and that's fine because it's MINE. My prrecciioouusss...


Thebonesauce, there is already an universal blacklist. People who get reported too much for griefing and enjoy ruining the game for everyone else get their account banned by the game's admins.

Downburst's list isn't universal, it's just a list of people he think deserve to be banned from every server. Nobody has to use it, and if it's not reliable then nobody will. That's like a free market of blacklists, the worst products aren't bought and then disappear ! :D

 

I wish MOLE would do this with their server more often. Of course, I'd probably end up on the list next to Beef and bonersauce.

 

To be clear, are "reports" all instances of being vote kicked? Will someone simply clicking the "X" to vote kick you broadcast anything if you don't ultimately get kicked?

As for banning people for being stupid, however reasonable it may seem at the time, just imagine the pressure of being one of the last guys alive and being spectated by everyone. People are all liable to make mistakes, but if one happens to be noticed by enough people already buttfrustrated with the outcome of a round, there might be the equivalent of lynchings.

 

I think they are referring to general stupidity rather than situation mishaps. I would blacklist those that I found to be a nuisance or idiots on the MOLE server; however, I am a huge fan of second chances and hope that people change; I believe people are inherently good. As much to my dismay, they never change. :(

OT: The universal blacklist seems to be great on paper but poor in actual application. Some players have some sort of vendetta against certain servers and will act as such. Additionally, those same players will act normally on other servers. It's rare, but I've seen it happen. Besides, I'd like to personally blacklist players that have been reported to grief/hack on the actual server rather than rely on reports from others, regardless of how reliable and trustworthy they are.

 

In addition a universal ban system is hardly necessary with so few active servers. You get banned from the one or two main servers and bam, that's it for you until KAG really catches on and more communities put up servers. And KAG isn't very presentable in this dark phase of bugs and instability, so that will probably be a while.

 

Personally I think the whole thing is far too ambiguous to follow up with any recommendations for anyone that isn't a really hardened hacker or griever, someone that really has no intention of actually playing the game at all. It's only a recommended list, but when an admin posts it and if it hadn't had any criticism then It'd carry a whole lot of weight, and the fact spoon is on it when he's a pretty active member of the forum that has an interest in actually playing the game properly then that makes it seems like it's not entirely watertight, not that downburst is been wilfully negligent or generally bitter in making the list, just that it's in the nature of something like this to carry a few big mistakes. If spoon took down a few skybridges a few months ago cos he thought they ruined the game, that's very different to someone that grieves for the purpose of ruining the game, one's been a bit of an anti-hero and one's just a massive dick, and I think it's unfair to punish people that are in this grey area.

I've been banned before (thankfully temporarily back when everyones server was mega unreliable and the ban list reset itself every 5 minutes) for perceived grieving, and that was entirely unjust. All round I'd been trying to fix our castle when it was been rained on by catas, knocking out damaged bridges and backwall to replace them cos they were - and still are - buggy as fuck and you have to completely destroy them sometimes, building little walls to stop knights cataing in our base which might have annoyed a couple of archers - but ultimately was better for the team that they had a 1 less place to shoot from then have knights raining on us - and doing loads of the nitty gritty boring builder stuff to maintain our defences, I then spent about 5 minutes getting the materials to upgrade our bomb shops so we could get kegs cos we were getting nowhere trying to breach their main wall, then while carrying a keg to the frontline notice that our healing post at the front had been destroyed, to which I try to make a new one before doing anything else, accidentally light my keg cos I hadn't put it down like I thought, then some cunt kicks me cos he reckons I've been grieving "all round" when I'd been the one doing the most boring of tasks to try keep our castle in 1 piece all fucking round.

That's all very long winded but my point is that could easily have been a first strike on going on a list like this, and I literally did nothing wrong other then a momentary lack of concentration. Something like that happens in an admins word versus yours situation a couple of times and suddenly you might not be able to play on half the servers in the game again. So again, I think this kinda thing is prone to mistakes, and only persistent hackers and crystal clear grievers should go on it, even then as bookmark said there's even flaws in that because even that can be situational, but sweeping bans between all severs should be kept for the clearest cases, and not anything that has any tinge of grey to it.

 

I am just worried about server admins who blindly follow lists like these, ending up banning people who had been reported a few months ago but ended up mending their ways. Of course one could argue that an admin who would do that probably owns a server that you would never want to play on in the first place.

 

either that, or almost EVERYONE!