Downburst's Recommended Banlist of Ne'er-Do-Wells

I didn't say it was right, I said it was understandable, given what KAG used to be and what it was turned into, despite the fact that I don't really find it 'fun', I can see how some might, if it was never fun to start with it wouldn't be.

Most of them will probably fuck off once combat gets better and then such a rule will work out nicely as it will filter the people that I've seen crop up on these lists that I know played legitimately good before and never griefed or any of that other shit. There's also always the problem of you know, the game being very subjective in terms of what is or isn't griefing, especially to new players but also to simply 'silly' players. While a good chunk of us fully understand what is griefing or not and that the tower you just took from the enemy can go to great purpose and you are more than halfway done converting it, they can't get back up and it is basically yours, the guy next to you might think "well golly the enemy made it, I guess I'll break it", and I've dealt with that kind of stuff a lot too, while many overarching definitions for 'griefing' have been thrown out there, none truly convey all forms of it without going outside of what it is or being vague on the borders.

 

My apologies, I assumed understandable as in "I know where they're coming from, it's not objectionable", rather than "Clinically speaking children lash out when they receive negative feelings because they don't know how to process them".

Also, remember we had many griefers in the 190 years too.

For the tower conversion example, the rule of thumb "don't break your teams stuff" still applies, if your team is now using it.

 

I do understand where they are coming from, and it is not completely objectionable.

It is sort of like someone taking you from your beautiful house and putting you in an insane asylum and being mad when you lash out.

Or hell, if you take away a child's ice cream and give him broccoli and be mad when he cries.

Some people take this sort of complete removal of something fun for no intentional purpose quite well, others don't. Instead of being all "Act like I want because 100% of people can act this way clearly because I do and there is no such thing as people who feel other ways or react differently", some people will do it, and in this case it is indeed understandable, the difference is some people don't want to understand.

Yes we had griefers in the 190 years, and those were quite different, there was no removal that made the game literally terrible. There are very few games now to play outside of KAG as most games coming out this year are blunders, so you can't just say come back in 2 months when it's fun again.

In any case, 'don't break your teams stuff', still as I stated is vague, if it helps your team by killing someone it is not griefing.

 

The failure in comparison there being you can leave at any time. The child comparison is more accurate, but it's less being mad because he's crying, and more annoyed because he's smearing his shit on the wall and trying to get the other children to eat his shit. Understanding the psychology behind it doesn't even come close to justifying it.

Especially considering you yourself know very well the devs in question actually listen to their playerbase, when they make recommendations and suggestions in intelligent, well written critique ways.

Lashing out at others in game is purely selfish.

Edit; Aw man editing stuff in after I writ up mine.

I don't understand your point. You're saying the griefers from when the game was good were just jerks, but the griefers now have their reasons? Naw. Frustrated griefers were there then. They'd get annoyed their losing or that their team sucks and grief. Babby tier griefers have always been here.

In regards the there being nothing else, bullhonkey. Unless this is a subtle jab that most griefers are filthy AAA game playing console peasants, in which case I applaud you. There are still a ton of amazing games out there.

There are exceptions to every rule, but for every time someone collapsed a tower or bridge to kill the enemy, I have several where it's done with no enemy under it, and the person claiming "lol thought there was xD". As a rule of thumb it's sound.

 

By that definition telling my teammate that his mother died and I'm the doctor who just saw her is griefing.
By that definition telling my teammate to fuck off is griefing.
By that definition trolling my teammate is griefing.
By that definition anyone but Contrary is griefing because they always bring me sadness when they do not win within 5 seconds.

Vague.

 

No one has ever been banned from Mole for handling things calmly, and stating their case, is all I'll say to this.

Also, in regards idiots being idiots, taking justice into your own hands is not something that will end well. If you see something like that, inform an admin or guard (we usually have a few of each on the server apart from during Auss peak hours), tell them what's happening, and let them deal with it.

Raging and griefing is not an acceptable response, not only because it ruins everyones' fun, but because it's not the slightest bit effective.


I'll also note you said "frozen", not banned, which is exactly what that function is for; freezing all suspected parties until the truth comes to light, even if the truth is no one knows and you let everyone go.

 

tl;dr

The reason you haven't seen tiffou in a while is because he's been globally banned for speedhacking btw.

The list has been updated again.

# UniversalBlacklist version 8

 

She had a heart attack you bastard.

Also yeah, the problem is that unless you get very very technical there is no good definition of griefing, but people will continue to simply say 'no griefing' or 'griefing is not allowed'. I don't have an answer as far as a definition, but I also don't simply throw out the term griefing, I do go with my eye like others, because that's all you can do in the end, but if it's somewhere that is borderline consider it brinksmanship and attempt to be more understanding in this sense, not everything is black and white despite the fact that many people see it that way, nothing can cause more damage than only seeing black and white in a world full of color. :)

(Unless you brought his mom back to life just to kill her again, but I'm not some sick fuck)

 

Good idea. Thread pruned from when freezing became the main topic than as an aside of the list.

If anyone would like to continue the discussion, pm's or a new thread (if you want those posts in a new thread pm me or one of the other mods to move the deleted posts there) would be the best choice.

 

Holy shit I literally missed this entire post somehow.
They aren't throwing shit at the wall, that would be more akin to speedhacking or something else.
They are getting their fun from someone else, bullying cause the other kid can still find enjoyment in this broken toy that they threw back at us.
Geti does but he seemed busy, not so sure about the other one for quite some time, even then I've been shouting (and one of the few things I don't just scream about) to use variables for huge changes for the longest fucking time and then the two changes that mattered most didn't get them, the changes to knight combat. Yet once people talk about archer combat "Lol everything's a variable now". Le trollface xD

My point was that those griefers were mad at wrong teams or such shit, some people just tend to do it because the game just sucks now, it went from being what many people I introduced at the time would call the best indie game or the funnest and most addictive game they played to what is now something I cannot even introduce people to because when I do they tell me I'm fucking retarded, and I can't even fucking defend it in it's current state.

Amazing games, none most people haven't run dry, feel free to name a fun, multiplayer game with a high skillcap that came out within the last year or is being constantly maintained currently to a level of actual fun and I will concede, oh and it has to be fun in it's free state, which it must have.

A rule is no longer sound when in order to stop the abuse, you hinder it's actual use. Attempts to justify by numbers are just further proof that the rule is not fair or just.

 

Please, go ahead and mention what part of making lists to ban is wrong?
It is a tool to make our lives easier, similar to a pen being easier to use than quill and ink or a keyboard than a typewriter, would you tell a man that he should not use it for it makes his job easier and is therefore wrong? Shall we all go back to having scribes laboriously copy our work? Shall we call automation a demon and condemn it? No.

I would no sooner swear off blacklists than I would transportation because 'It makes getting from A to B easy, that's your job to get there, you should walk', or using a computer because I should deliver my messages to you in person.

Again it shall be stated as it seems you are all ignoring it, that while any points you may have would have had SOME actual merit (none of these so far really have?) if it wasn't for the fact that it is completely optional for server owners, editable by them so that you can bring up any gripe with them, and there is opportunity for appeal if necessary.

Also almost no time probably went into this, well I mean a little scouring the thread, but he probably already does that anyway.

Also, how could Downburst not being a dev have fixed any of our actual problems? Please do enlighten.