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Gather is back!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by cameron, Jan 3, 2015.

  1. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    Catapults' only use is to be a lagapult anyway.
     
  2. Canadian98

    Canadian98 Haxor Tester

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    Without builders you'll end up just seeing the knights of both teams waiting in their towers for the enemy to come.
     
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  3. 8x

    8x Elimination Et Choix Traduisant la Realité Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Tester
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    my 2 cents
    I'd try to avoid or veto too flattish maps, what I've seen sometimes that sucked was
    baseTower______Towerbase
    the mid part is noman's land and any pushing without tunneling means losing more tickets.

    And perhaps a bit less of stone underground, or more located, as it provokes builders tunneling, getting a shitload of stone and spaming stone doors down there. I know it'sa valid tactic, but I think it's a bit lame and does not recquire much teamwork.
     
  4. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    An easy fix for that surly would be to keep builders and just disallow building/repairs after the timer expires. Sure you can mine, etc. but only for cata ammo, tramps, and the like.
     
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  5. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Staff Alumni Donator Tester
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    Also, you won't be able to get past a well-built tower with people camping in it unless you have money or a battle builder. You can't get money if the people are camping because you can't do damage, so you'd have to build to get money. So without builders, I think stalemates would last even longer because the majority of the time, there aren't enough coins to go around, so people would just camp in their towers.
     
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  6. Lawrence_Shagsworth

    Lawrence_Shagsworth Joke Slayer Official Server Admin

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    Gather is quite fun imo. More calculations needed though
     
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  7. PanduhsFTW

    PanduhsFTW Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni

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    In the Suggestions section I suggested rising lava for TDM to get rid of archers hiding under maps (and for other stalemate situations, to force players onto higher ground). Perhaps the same idea could be applied in this situation.

    Just a thought.
     
  8. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    like the water in classic zombie fortress only when it touches you it isnta kills?
     
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  9. PanduhsFTW

    PanduhsFTW Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni

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    I've never played it, but that sounds about right! Maybe not instakill, but it would set you on fire and/or do damage over time.
     
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  10. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Mmm. Just thinking about battle building, if builders can't place anything then they're actually a lot less useful. :/ Perhaps, in that case, having a slow sweep coming from either side forcing people into the middle (as per @Geti's idea) would actually be the best solution.

    It would certainly make "claiming the middle ground" (which everyone talks about but often never happens) a much, much higher priority-- bc, as the sweep forces people to abandon their bases on the map sides, those who fought to claim + fortify the middle will retain a massive advantage over those who were lazy buggers and let the other side take the offensive.

    Which, tbh, sounds good. If your side has played well and managed to claim the middle then it seems only fair that you should have the advantage during sudden death.

    ...

    So, @Skinney, I hope you're paying attention. I'm going to be a terrible person and speak for everyone, without their permission, and say what we want: on expiration of a timer we want sudden death with slow red-zones sweeping in from either end of the map to force a conclusion in the middle. Okay? Good. We'll expect it next week. ::P:
     
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  11. PanduhsFTW

    PanduhsFTW Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni

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    These seems like a good idea in theory, but what if the team that claimed mid has this huge, impenetrable tower built there? Once the walls start sweeping the enemy towards it, they just have to chill inside their tower until the enemy is crushed between their wall and the "sweeping force". If you try to fix it by making it just stop at a certain point and not continue to push them (in this situation, toward the big wall) then you have the same stalemate situation, just in a smaller space.

    Edit: Or even better, we could be OP and build a huge trap that the entire enemy team gets swept into. Instant win! Camping rewards ftw!
     
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  12. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    make it like endgame in chess

    ex. you must kill someone in the next 15 minutes or something happens(why am I still responding to this lol)
     
  13. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    Or, instead of thinking up lots of dumb gimmicky ideas.

    • Timer
     
  14. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    or instead of being a condescending jerk read the thread and see that Cameron already said that timers make the game end anticlimatical
     
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  15. tickets+timer is definitely what made classic gather a unique experience!
     
  16. Rainbows

    Rainbows KAG Guard Forum Moderator Tester
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    I will then disagree, timers are at worst the lesser evil to tickets. personally i dont mind them much.
     
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  17. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    I disagree with that opinion. Read my other post.
     
  18. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    i.e. if you allow the other guy to build some colossal phallic-replacement in the middle of the map then you damn well deserve to lose. Generally it's kinda hard to build anything "impenetrable" in the middle of the map unless the enemy decides to sit back and allow it to happen.

    That said:
    I have to agree that sometimes trying to hold out on 0 tickets until the timer runs out can be pretty exciting-- but then sometimes the other team also runs out of tickets with minutes to go on the clock and its a fracking snooze-fest.
     
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  19. oh i also feel the need to point out I was being sarcastic, fucking stand offs between people trying to get the game to end and johny98 sitting in his base throwing bombs at you
     
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  20. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    I know.

    Just felt the need to address the "all we need is tickets+timer" before someone actually took it seriously.