General Knight Changes

Thanks for a reply instead of a condescending response.

The mechanic that I suggested to be changed gives more room for an archer to act as a knight, which i think is okay because a knight acts a lot like an archer already. Knights can act like support which they do, and archers can act as front line troops, and while like you said the basic role is the same for each class, that doesn't mean we should put classes in a box. I do understand the roles that need to be played i just don't agree that they should be limited by picking a specific class.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 29, 2014, Original Post Date: Mar 29, 2014 ---

what's your opinion on bomb jumping then? if you're opposed to wall climbing which is blocked by a three block overhang.

 

How about this:

1. Return to Notch Jumping for All Classes (+Structure)
2. Make Arrow Laddering more viable (Last multiple climbs? Make them work exactly like ladders, but take one hit.) (+ Probably never going to happen Teamwork)
   1. (Can cause arrows stuck in the ground to work as tangle roots/caltrops because walking on ground is faster than walking on ladders) (+Archer)
3. Lit Kegs that break cause a large fire burst. (+Fuel Air Bomb)

The main issue that crops up is the now over-maneuverable grapple hooks.

Anyways, I liked the dynamic of Fencing between Archers, and Knights, it was kinda wrecked though.
It'd just be gravy if you could figure out how to add in Builder Fencing, though making building more viable, or building destruction less viable would be preferred, given the choice.

 

Step 1: Go back and play Classic for a while

Step 2: option a) stay there.
Step 2: option b) realize that all these things were changed for a reason, and come back to beta with a new appreciation for it's mechanics.

Because honestly, a lot of the suggestions have just been "make it how it was in alpha," whether they directly stated so or not.

p.s. Alpha builder is best builder.

 

Dammit rayne stop reminding me of how much I loved Alpha ;______;

Honestly, I think a lot of the "class" issues might resolve themselves if we made a game mode that promotes more serious teamwork, like alpha competitive kag way back when.

It becomes hard for people to play as a team when there's 3 different paths to the enemy base on every map (tunnel, sea, sky islands), and the mobility for any given person to use each one of them. I honestly think that it would be a lot better if we just had a flat out no tunnel, no floating island, maybe no water map with no huge buildings, in CTF with only one flag.

This would force people to actually work as a team and push across one front together, and I feel confident that if we don't fill our map pools with maps that will wind up with archers 1v5'ing knights in small, close tunnels, then there will be a lot less complaints about them being OP.

 

If you force people down to one lane you get issues with over-sized towers (space race with siege, bomb jumpers, and chickens.) , concentration of where high explosives, and so on are placed, among other things.

This would be more than just an issue of how you make a map.
(Disregarding class synergy/balance)

 

wow am i the only one that actually enjoys builder? the reason i main knight (which i still find less fun than 2 other classes) is that i need to take care of my team alone most of the time and builder and archer both need knight babysitting (and all pub knights are dumb)

but yeah wallclimbing should have been limited to builders the day it was introduced, when i actually suggested it i basically got told to f off because "it's fun and good for new players"

 

Dude, two downward facing plats and knights can't climb your tower without bombs.

 

Anyone that is saying knights ARE NOT overpowered is most definitely retarded. Coming from a person who basically only plays knight too.

 

Just remove gliding in the air with your shield! Why do knights have the ability to avoid fall damage? And that would also solve a lot of other issues!

They are going down! (Bye bye!) Meh...

 

the only thing remotely over powered about the knight class is the wall climb, i wouldnt care if it was removed in some way but not in the most retarded way possible via removing gliding all together.... other than that knights may seem overpowered to you because they are able to do so much but thats because they are supposed to do that much in the first place. i simply dont understand anyone complaining about knights being op other than the wall climb thing.

 

Knights are super fast, have the most health, have the most utility and can win games on there own. What happened to a class based team game? Beta happened

 

i challenge you to a game:
-5v5
-my team is only builders
-your team is only knights
-90 seconds builds time

if you can win, i will admit that knights are OP

 

Well, just let him build in builds time and he will win for sure

 

Post video of this on the forums, I want to see what happens.

 

why would i, knights are stronger already

 

you can not say to me without lying that builders are as good as they were in classic