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Grappling hook to OP?

Discussion in 'Archer' started by samsamkill4fun7, Sep 24, 2015.

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What Do You Think Op Or Ballenced

  1. Op

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    40.0%
  2. Ballenced

    6 vote(s)
    60.0%
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  1. samsamkill4fun7

    samsamkill4fun7 Horde Gibber

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    in my opinion (someone who loves archer class) grappling hook needs a Nerf. It can make you super fast whilst running away (jump grapple) and can fling you right over an enemy's tower or rush an unprepared team. i think it needs a slightly smaller range 2-4 blocks smaller max and a slower speed when climbing

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  2. Withror

    Withror Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    Agree, builders can barely counter bomb jumpers and yolo archers
     
  3. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    No. It's the unprepared team's fault, not the grappling hook. Once you're over a tower, there's not much you can do unless there's open shops or you have bomb arrows with you (risky to try to take bomb arrows with you over a tower which most likely will have a bunch of knights slashing at your feet). The grappling hook is fine as it is.
     
  4. FoxyLady

    FoxyLady Bison Rider Staff Alumni

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    I think its fine the way it is. Why would you wanna nerf archers most essential tool to survive. He already can be 1hko with slash and a correct bomb throw, fire arrow,bomb arrow, etc.
     
  5. Withror

    Withror Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    True, but they will always be hard to deal with for new players.
     
  6. AJFaas

    AJFaas Base Burner
    1. supr sekrit cln [skrt]

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    definitely needs a nerf. archers are way to agile.
     
  7. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    The best knights in kag are just as hard to deal with for new players as the best archers...
     
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  8. Withror

    Withror Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    But the percentage of archers that can get over midrange building is much higher than the one of knights, therefore archers tend to do a lot more damage to new players' buildings and workshops.
     
  9. _Cuffs_

    _Cuffs_ Bison Rider Staff Alumni Tester

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    There really is no reason to nerf the archers grapple. It's already difficult for archers to get over an enemy wall without being shot or slashed in the process, and like Blue_Tiger said there isn't much they can do except harass enemy builders. At best they could get into a shop and switch classes to builder or knight. The main problem for new players isn't archers, while they can still be threatening, it's the knights with single or double bomb jumps. These knights will get over any and every wall a builder can make.
     
  10. AJFaas

    AJFaas Base Burner
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    In the end the knight cant do shit either but harrass and stall some people. And seeing as an archer can get places better, id say they could stall longer if they wanted to. Also it takes money for a knight to get over the wall.
     
  11. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Bison Rider Tester

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    They can meat shield block doors, stopping builders, archers and some knights getting out. If they have bombs (which they probably do considering they got over a tower), they can blow up shops far cheaper and safer than an archer would.
     
  12. _Cuffs_

    _Cuffs_ Bison Rider Staff Alumni Tester

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    As a knight I've been able to wreck absolute havoc in an enemy's base once getting over there walls. Also on multiple occasions I have gone over a wall with fellow Knights and completely backdoored teams.
     
  13. Withror

    Withror Ballista Bolt Thrower

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    Which is why somewhere else I wrote that the bomb's vertical travel potential should be nerfed
     
  14. MadRaccoon

    MadRaccoon Bison Rider

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    Pls, if it wasnt for the "op agility" this game better not even have the archer class. Leave the things that are working fine in the game as they are, its rare to find them.
     
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  15. EhRa

    EhRa Ooooooof Staff Alumni Donator
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    Make a better wall if you want to counter them, bomb jumpers are relatively easy and archers can be dealt with
     
  16. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Agreed with OP. Archers should have grapple nerfed. Preferably by replacing grapple with a chain and ball. This would slow them down; plus, they could use the ball as a short-range melee weapon, finally make archer a balanced and well-rounded class. Why the devs have not implemented this simple and obvious solution is beyond me. Maybe re-doing the art would be too difficult for MM?
     
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  17. samsamkill4fun7

    samsamkill4fun7 Horde Gibber

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    well i realize that most of you think that their is nothing wrong with a good archer grapple. yes it is a good thing to balance the archer so that he has speed over knights. all i was talking a bout was a small nerf not get rid of the dam thing. i only want to see it reduced a small amount the travel speed to the hook and 2 smaller max range when standing still gezz calm down and also lots of idiot builders leave all different shops open once in a base
     
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  18. _Cuffs_

    _Cuffs_ Bison Rider Staff Alumni Tester

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    Alright, first off lowering the travel speed of the grappling hook will be extremely detrimental to most archers and depending on how much you slow it down. It could even make it impossible to get past overhangs on a tower. Also a lot of archers can't escape bombs with how the grapple is currently, so making it even more difficult to escape would cause archers to be weak. This could result in more archers using water arrows because it would be the only viable method of escape from a bomb. Overall I don't see a need for a nerf and any nerf you have suggested would cause archers to be to weak to leave the tops of towers.
     
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  19. dayleaf

    dayleaf Ballista Bolt Thrower
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    I don't agree with the grapple being nerfed, but :up:this:up:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i wanna see that! archers need mothafakin flails!

    or someone mod it, idk, whatever comes first.
     
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  20. DragonUnitedtm

    DragonUnitedtm "Hear My Dragon Roar" Donator
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    i'm kinda on both sides.
     
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