New build discussion

It's a paradox. If we waiting for max realism - Strech's idea of shield-protection from falling blocks is not a good idea. If we waiting for a really balanced game - current situation is not so good as can be. I think, that we can solve this paradox via shield destroying. This solution can help us to solve many other problems.

Look at this scheme, for example:
1. One knight - one shield.
2. Arrows cannot destroy shield (realistic)
3. Non maximal knight's attacks cannot destroy shield (realistic)
4. Maximal knight's attack can destroy shild (2-3 hits) (realistic)
5. Falling block destroy shield (1 hit) (absolutely realistic)
6. Shield can be recovered via base/outpost

From development viewpoint - it's not so hard, as I think (additional state for knight + additional sprites [knight w/o shield]).

This scheme can add more interesting tactics & improve realism of the game.
What do you think about this idea? May be somebody suggest it before me, may be return to discuss it?

OMG, my ugly english :( I'm sorry. It's really difficult to speak english without stable experience.

Update:
I add this idea as a separated thead in "Suggestions" forum.

 

But builders cannot harm you. They repeatedly have to spend a lot of time in boring grinding of resources, they deserve to be able to protect themself and the stuff they gathered.

I agree on the stone dropping tho.

 

fight me

also they can hurt archers I don't know why people overlook this

 

Did someone say add a charge system for everything

also shhhhhh this is also about knights and archers but I'm trying to trick Geti into looking at it

 

I've been reading a lot of the posts, and I'll just throw in my two cents here.

While I like having features added, I don't want my game experience to become fundamentally more complex. I want to start up KAG, jump into a game, have access to the abilities of a class without worrying about how switching servers will prevent me from using stuff, etc. This is a fun arcade game that I play in short bursts, and don't want it to ask me to make big time investments.



Also - dropping blocks on people is the joy of my day. I understand the downsides of it, but please don't take my candy!

-Snoopicus

 

So, you want the knights with bombs that are breaking castles down in only minutes to have a shield that protects it from stone dropping, have you lost your mind people, next thing you're going to whine about is the bombs of the knight.

Knight got dropped from 3 bombs to 1 and their attack is only chargeable, are you sure about this?

 

1. Already suggested this but noone listened. Essentially what you said Geti, but you didn't really explain it well. Reward builders for putting blocks near other blocks. But not just that. You reward builders for putting blocks near other blocks that you'd expect to see in a fort. For example. You'd reward points for putting a stone block on top of two door blocks. You'd reward points for each layer of background wall you add to support a single stone pillar. You'd reward points for putting a drawbridge above an empty block. You'd also get extra points if an outpost is in front of backround walls. These are all common occurrences to forts. In order to abuse this you'd need to know these things and build various fort like features on their own, quite stupid to do on it's own, you'd just go and build a fort instead. Also I like the idea of rewarding points for building in the vicinity of your team. But add to this. How about reward points for building near an outpost in the vicinity of an enemy? Sometimes your team is nowhere to be seen but you're on your own defending against an enemy that dug under and snuck by the front-line defenses.

2. Honestly i've rarely ever been killed by a block dropping. In fact some of the only occurrences of this was a griefer on my own team doing it. Come on, it's not hard dodging a block being dropped? If you hate it so much just look out for stationary builders on top of towers more. I agree there should be a construction time given to builders so they end up doing this slower, but bottom line block dropping on its own is not overpowered because it's so easy to anticipate and dodge. Plus it costs stone so they can't do it forever.

3. How are pits overpowered right now? Knights can jump in and disable them instantly. You can quite easily dig under them and disable them. A dedicated team with a front-line builder will only waste about 30 seconds disarming an elaborate spike trap before they move on. I can count the number of times i've been seriously hampered by a spike trap on one hand. The rest is easy to deal with.

4. Archers can be hit by builders. Woopdedo! I rarely ever see a builder ever kill an archer. They shouldn't let the builder get so close in the first place! At the end of the day the builder has no shield and 2 hp, so if you can't shoot it down why should you be allowed to take 0 damage in close combat? You can just run away even if the builder does get close!

 

Trap building is their job. Staying alive is their job as well. What do you expect? Auto-suiciding builder which lose all their resources when a knight pops up anywhere on the screen?

Builders can't do much for a fight except building or doing suicide runs to build ladders. There's nothing wrong with them, except block dropping.

 

The knight towers and such are fucked up in this build due to shield-lift MM made. Czubai has a clip of it. I'm not in the mood to explain better right now .

 

Well, there's tombing themselves underground and instantly building blocks to stop anything but builders in their tracks. Also, if they're the only ones with the power to directly manipulate the terrain, that's going to be a problem as well.

 

Why should they be the only ones manipulating the terrain? Knights and archers can dig as well.
And I still fail to see why tombing makes builders overpowered. I've stopped tombed builders as a knight many, many times.

 

Then they obviously tombed wrong.

 

I recall that being proposed by one of the devs, which is part of the reason I'm pushing for a builder nerf in case this happens.

Hell, it already needs one

 

Or you just generally hunt them wrong?

I still see no valid evidence that builders are overpowered.

"Oh, someone dug that pit here (which I'll just jump in now and dig out from). He never harmed me and I actually never saw him, but shall he be my archenemy from now on"

 

Worker ideas:

Building is basically just the reverse of digging. You have to sit there and keep pounding on it until it works its way up through levels of damage. Could be a good way to have repairing as well. Should be slightly slower than destroying. Also I think you should receive materials for each time you hit a resource, not just on the last hit.

Or maybe you could make it so that building has a charge bar. Depending on how long you charge it your tile will be at a different level of decay.

 

Being able to directly harm someone and being overpowered are two completely different things. They have complete control of the terrain- something neither of the other two classes have, and they do in fact have the ability to harm you. If you're a knight, congrats; they have to trick you to harm you instead. If you're an archer or builder, congrats again; the builder can just bash your skull in with the hammer.

Convince me that I'm wrong. Hard mode: don't use that weak "they can't harm you" argument because they can.