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Sly, I think the key point that Bone makes there is that the Bible did actually make those rules, and they were rules done by religion and stuff. I presume Judaism still has those in a more prominent position, due to their use of the old testament for stuff, but don't quote me on that.
Also, what FBB says.

And if we're looking at the good stuff of these situations, I'm pretty sure that Hitler and his Nazi chums dragged Germany out of a stupendous economic crisis. Surely that's as good as a few soup vans, since people no longer needed wheelbarrows of money to buy a loaf of bread anymore?

 

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You're derailing + don't know jack-poodle what you're talking about. Please leave issues concerning the Bible to another thread and (in the meantime) go and do some solid reading of said book before you commence discussion of said topic.

My inner theologian thanks you in advance (and my inner moderator sighs in relief & puts down the infract-o-stick).

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And don't think I'm not aware that Matt 5:18 can be simultaneously used for and against both bone & Sly's positions. I'm nothing if not a wicked bastard of a theology student.

 

Please don't make me also make the argument that so did the third reich, because I'd honestly not want to do that, it would just further the fact that you haven't been to 9th grade, because seriously we'd be bounds behind in many scientific fields.

 

Also, without Hitler and his chums, we'd never have gotten all these amazing sci-fi stories involving time travel that go back to kill/arrest/molest/go to Oktoberfest with them.

 

A debate of what Christianity has done for the world versus what `Nazism` has would be damn near impossible to do without being subjective in some way. That said JTG summed up some of the good of both very well, it is quite true that over time Christianity(Catholicism as well since we're really talking about religions using the cross), has done for mostly people sick of the mind in some way, while it's hard to say that they've done all that's possible many people that would be worse alcoholics are much more tempered because of it, violent people in general, perverted people in general (though this goes both ways I'd say it's also a bit to blame for some of that shit).

Religion in general totally does do some good, I think the funny thing is though a lot of that good people do without religion as well (earlier you said that religious people give things away and help the homeless, not only religious people do this).

Spoiler: Aside

As a matter of fact I am part of a christian church, yet I do not believe in god, I only go for the outreach mostly as every few weekends they do things like pepsi give aways, free car washes and raise stuff for the homeless etc, I haven't done it in about a year now due to being too busy, but I would regularly and this had nothing at all to do with the religion, it had to do with the fact that it's the right thing to do. There is actually a TED talk about creating something similar to what religion does in communities today for atheists, because right now most of the positives of religion have nothing to do with religion, they are just a place where people create a larger community that is able to propel itself and influence the community in positive ways if it is prepared to. In these ways I love some churches (not because of the religious aspects but because of the community aspects). These are generally specifically called community churches though, they're a bit different, but I believe more important by far than the older style self-enveloped churches, that just take a portion of their monthly income and toss it towards homeless/battered women/blank cause.

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Expect some point in the next 10-20 years to see atheists have something similar to a church, my church that I go to currently is very much so cause to understand why 'God' and religion isn't needed for a church, the pastor doesn't really focus on god and constantly actually relates to things without him, I started going probably when I was about 15 and for the most part just so I could pull apart what he was saying, remove any instances of the bible from the equation and balance whether it would still make a good guideline for life or not and go from there, usually inspect it a bit and attempt to relate it to other things.

The main issue I see with an 'Atheism Church', or really what shouldn't be tied to being Atheism but essentially just a church sans religious aspects would be the recycling of material, there is a lot to go through and infact a bit more than a church with less to simply expand on or a book to go to that says "Hmm let's talk about THIS this week", but I'm sure it'll happen nonetheless as it's already in the works (check out the TED talk on it)

 

If you want to see it that way sure, I have no job, if you mean what I 'do', it's try my damn hardest to stop seeing games ruined by thinskinned people like you who cry about everything and want saying the word fag to be a bannable offense or building a certain shape to bannable because you can't deal with it, that's my problem.

The worst part when it comes to people like you though is that I don't care if you actually have a fucking reason to hate it, and I don't mean "My great grandfather died in the holocaust oh no D:" I mean a legitimate reason you could come up with why you find it to really be a problem not just because it offends you, and you can't, so you are completely ignorant of the fact and you just say "Hey it should be bannable, people can get offended" like being offended ever killed anyone, I'm offended every day, most of the time every few minutes. Grow some skin and get over it, I seriously have to wonder if people like you are the children of overeager soccer mom's or if you somehow are just that sheltered that you can't handle when someone says anything negative ever, in fact I find it must be unhealthy as a step out into the real world must be painful coming from something like that and I can't imagine such a household as anything but a mass murder waiting to happen.

 

Sly, welcome to the real world. Arguments aren't always totally objective, especially when they're not being done in a particularly serious environment. Stating that something is offensive isn't an argument, it's a totally subjective response, an emotive reaction to something, and it only even nears a valid objection if it's being forced upon you, and there is no way to avoid it.
If you aren't enjoying something, but it isn't against the rules, then you need someone with the vested power to make judgement on a situation. If there is no-one around to intervene in such circumstances, then you need to deal with it.

BlueLuigi has given some pretty damn good arguments, if I say so myself, and it remains that your objection to swastikas is a subjective view. The trouble is, you've clung to this view as if you feared for life itself, without making any ground or acknowledging in depth the arguments placed at your metaphorical doorstep. He's assuming that you have led a sheltered life until now, because of the very way you are reacting to the confrontational nature of this online debate.
The best step forward is to evaluate what you say, but not necessarily outright reject it. Retaining your opinions is a great thing, just make sure they're justified, and don't slip into a dogmatic situation.

 

Sly, I'm not him, so I can't tell you whether or not he does regard you as a degenerate, but I have no doubt he'll see this before long and confirm his viewpoint. From experience with him, one of the reasons he would talk down to someone is if they genuinely appeared to be an idiot, demonstrating inability to accept/comprehend external arguments, or if they just adopted a plain stupid viewpoint.

But let's not get too competitive here.