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Official KAG Discord Server

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Galen, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Galen

    Galen Haxor Staff Alumni Donator

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    I have created a official KAG discord server to provide an environment for the community to get together.
    There's an abundance of various text- and voicechannels for all things KAG. If you want to play captain's mode or just normal competitive KAG, there are secure voicechannels for teams and spectators, so that no one who's not in the respective teams can enter.
    At some point in the future, there'll be a link to the server in the main menu of the client itself, as well.

    Once you've joined, please make sure to read #information.


    Permanent invite link: discord.gg/kag
    Also, I'm aware of the other two big KAG discord servers. However, as far as I am aware they are split between NA+EU and Oceania. I'm not trying to "kill" either of these, I just want to provide a official place for people to hang out in. Another reason for the creation is that discord is just far more accessible and comfortable to use than both IRC and the forums.

    Links to the other two large KAG discord servers:
    EU+NA (@Pirate-Rob's): https://discord.gg/yHB3CZT
    AUS/Oceania: https://discordapp.com/NsyTNxu


    PS: big thanks to @FunATuns and @Fuzzle for initiating this idea and helping out in the creation process.
    PPS: @testers/moderators/official kag server admins: we also have secret channels only for you as well, to allow for more communication (since IRC is kinda dead).
     
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  2. epsilon

    epsilon Assonist THD Team Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Perhaps link the other two big KAG Discord servers within the official KAG Discord so people can be more engaged within their specific region. Here is the permanent link for the AUS KAG Discord: https://discordapp.com/NsyTNxu.

    And thank God! It's about time an something official was created! ::D:
     
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  3. AgentHightower

    AgentHightower Shopkeep Stealer Staff Alumni Tester
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    Amazing to finally see an Official Discord Server for KAG, Great job making this, Galen :thumbs_up:
     
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  4. Ni

    Ni Battle Angel Forum Moderator Official Server Admin Donator Tester

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    Nice idea, but I hope @Pirate-Rob 's server doesn't die now uwu :heart:
     
  5. mcrifel

    mcrifel Ballista Bolt Thrower Staff Alumni Tester
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    MIST discord channel still the best
     
  6. joshua12131415

    joshua12131415 Arsonist Tester

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    I like rob's channel because the rules are quiet loose and you can post a lot of weird stuff without getting banned.
    What will this server be like? I'm concerned if I go there I will have to act like a normal human being );
     
  7. Galen

    Galen Haxor Staff Alumni Donator

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    You can compare it to these forums, actually. It's probably still a little bit less regulated than this place here.
     
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  8. Furai

    Furai THD Team THD Team Administrator

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    Discord = Forum killer.
     
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  9. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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    Nah. It just means we've specialised our streams. The forums still hold the edge when it comes to having discussions not turn into a tangled mess that is hard to return to the next morning. Discord helps fill the need to chatter aimlessly. Both are necessary parts of the ecosystem. ::):
     
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  10. LeButch

    LeButch Builder Stabber

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    Good day, Galen.

    Since I was banned from the official Discord server by you, this is my referendum to get unbanned.I actually don't know what to say here. I am really sorry that I did that thing I did and I promise to never do that again, if you tell me, what it was. I could only imagine, it was rule number 5 ("5. Controversial topics such as politics are outside of the scope of this server, so please talk about them elsewhere."), because I discussed with you about stuff.
    I know that you don't like me much, but since I bought KAG some time ago, I think I bought the right to be on the official KAG Discord server if I do not break a rule. I have no problems with being banned from private Discord servers with no reason, but since this is a public server, you should not ban someone just because you don't like him. You know that I am a serious KAG player, I brought 3 friends of mine to buy KAG and I donated a 20€ game for the new years giveaway 2018.

    With this being said, I would like you to rethink your decision to ban me forever.
    Thanks.
    My Discord name: Maestro#4167.
     
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  11. Galen

    Galen Haxor Staff Alumni Donator

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    A couple of things:
    1. The fact that you are completely unaware of why I banned you, even though it is blatantly obvious shows me that you didn't reflect.
    2. I banned you for your repeated ignoring of simple rules like "swastikas are forbidden, period".
    3. You tried to talk your way into being allowed to use them, and used terminology clearly associated with the respective party and ideology.
    4. My personal opinion of you matters not in this situation.
    5. You don't buy the right to use any of the community platforms. You bought a license for the game. That's it. You have no right to use the forums, the discord, the irc channel, or anything else. Those are privileges, and privileges can be taken away if that is deemed necessary.
    6. I literally couldn't care less about how many people you bought the game for. I don't care how much you donated to a *community* giveaway either. That giveaway was not organized by THD, it was organized by Mazey. Even if you had donated to an official giveaway, it wouldn't matter. You cannot buy your way out of this. That's not how things work.
    You are going to stay banned until 04.02.2018 (that's sunday, february 4th) 20:00 UTC+1. Reflect on what you did wrong.
    The next ban will be permanent.

    PS: Swastikas are no laughing matter. What you do on private servers is none of my business. What you do with your friends is none of my business. But I am not going to tolerate anyone who tries to wiggle their way into being allowed to post them, or who actually posted them. There is no room for discussion on this matter.
     
  12. LeButch

    LeButch Builder Stabber

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    1) Thank you. 2) If you had read my post correctly, you would know that I just did not want to be banned permanently. 3) The fact that you write so much shows how much you try to give me guility. If I had post a porn picture, or spaamed, one sentence would be enough: You spaamed in our textchannel, you are banned. But I did not. 4) I never wanted to buy myself immunity. I just wanted to show you that I like this game and like the community. 5) To your point 2: I just said, that it should not be forbidden to post those. I did not ignore this rule. 6) To point 4: It does.

    I thought it would be unfair to not reply to you, cause you wrote such a long reply, so here it is.
    Your punishment is fair in my opinion, dont get me wrong.

    Your Sincerly (dont know how to write that word)
    Butch, aka Maestro
     
  13. Hella

    Hella The Nightmare of Hair Global Moderator Donator Tester

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    I think the reason behind long responses was that you're so adamant that you did nothing wrong that a simple 1 sentence answer from multiple people didn't seem sufficient. If you repeatedly ignore rules when told about them, then you're going to repeatedly get warnings. If you are warned by a moderator or an admin and you continue to ignore their warnings, then you're going to receive a punishment of some kind. It's not a difficult concept to understand, since it's already used across much of the world; if anything, you should comprehend it through simple common sense, which is rule 0.

    When it comes to swastikas, it's clear that most usage of them falls into rule 5 "no controversial topics". Many people consider them deeply offensive, and that means they especially have no place in the official KAG discord. If you disagree with this, then that means there is clearly some controversy with this topic, and it has no place within reach of official KAG media.

    You're of course welcome to return once the ban has expired, but use your head next time. If you keep pushing at the rules then you can't complain when the rules push back.
     
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  14. sophiegirl

    sophiegirl Horde Gibber

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    I think it's a little extreme that I got banned from the discord server. I was getting frustrated with Asu and I'm sorry.
     
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  15. bunnie

    bunnie Haxor Tester

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    Considering the latest events surrounding Mazey, the unreasonable bans and other drama, I've decided to make a post with my thoughts and why I believe Mazey is turning into an incompetent administrator.

    Let's start with what happened maybe 2 weeks ago, aka the Tern stuff. Basically, at this point there was this meme which was going for like a few months now, which was 'daily reminding that Tern is a speedhacker'. Direct quotes from Mazey [both on the official discord and the last one from PM:]
    '@bunnie please stop witchhunting, keep this stuff in your own servers or something from now on
    if you cannot understand how this is not witchhunting (and rude to the person in question) I advise you to not post anything in this server again just to be safe'
    'same with the tern stuff'
    'people might actually think he’s a speedhacker and it hurts his reputation'

    For context, I've posted logs from offi CTF of a certain player (not Tern) getting kicked for speedhacks. I understand that not allowing witchhunts is logical, but then, these logs, as far as I am aware, are printed to public chat. We're going to ignore this for now and focus on Tern.
    First of all, this was literally just an innocent meme, even if it started with some people thinking Tern actually speedhacks. As stupid it may sound, it brought the community together to meme about Tern. And why would you be concerned about this? Tern is an in-game admin and I am a normal user (and according to some a stupid troll) - why would anyone believe me, if it was just literally 'daily reminder that tern is a speedhacker' without any proof? Did @Tern ever complain about it himself? Why bother if he didn't?
    Second of all, why do you just randomly decide it one day, while it was perfectly fine for the past weeks/months? Without any change even happening to the rules?
    'just because I’ve not been busy with it means it’s okay'
    You never said something as simple as 'stop it', you never bother to warn people if they do something bad. This isn't the only time it happened: supposedly I was flaming during a quarry discussion, and you felt the need to only mention it a few days later? As I said, often people don't even know what rule are they breaking. This is where we get to the main part that got me banned - arguing about rules and supposedly 'not speaking english'.

    For some context - HOMEK players had this meme where they would use certain words [that - I admit - were bastardized polish] to express certain feelings. The meme got pretty big and I don't think anyone ever had a problem with it. It's similar to 'lol' or 'wtf' - you express feelings with these words, except these words were just known among the most active discord players and the community. And why would you care if it's bastardized polish? We'll talk about it a bit later, but first, for context, first of all, the conversation that got me banned.

    I've posted a single 'rzal' in #general as a reaction [it means being annoyed/dissapointed with something, pity/shame etc]. You've removed it and simply explained that 'because it's not english'. As I said - these words have been used for quite a long time - and you've used them yourself, which can be found easily with a discord search.
    Now, what's the difference between 'uraaaaa', 'bububu' and 'rzal', 'o korde'?
    You've said that the first ones are just war cries/sounds, and 2nd are actual words. I believe this doesn't make much sense - it doesn't matter if it's bastardised polish: you just used it as an excuse to ban me/remove it. It's just used to express feelings [slightly as a meme, maybe], and 'O KORDEEEEEE' can be as much as a war cry as 'URAAAAAA'.
    `it got way out of hand when there were 100 words added`
    `if you scream ura or bubu it's jsut sounds, I can live with occasional rzal or whatever in a sentence but when you are using a bunch of non english words
    a) how are we supposed to moderate you
    b) the majority of the server has no clue what you're saying which makes us look like fools if we don't delete it under english-only rule
    c) why should polish-homek speech be an exception to the rule`

    Ura can as well mean a slur in a certain language, as can rzal. I find these arguments to be pretty weak.
    I've been using literally the same limited homekspeak vocabulary for pretty much a year? at this point. And everyone was fine with it, including you, until this day. I do not understand why you changed your opinion [why should stuff like this be just decided because a single admin changes his opinion btw?]. Especially considering you said the same stuff during the Galen drama 2,5 months ago.
    And no, you 'weren't removing it, even before Galen'... or just were way too inconsistent at it. And, of course, did not tell the other moderators that this breaks any rules, else they would actually remove it as well.
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    'a bunch of non english words'? you mean 4, maybe 6 at max?
    What's the difference between a rzal at the end of a sentence and a rzal in a new line? One is allowed and other is not?
    If it was allowed because it wasn't spammy, even if it still according to you broke the rules - why all the exceptions? And why expect everyone else to think the same way?
    Next, not able to moderate me? So you're now going to kill a meme which brought the community together just because it's a few letters that do not exist in that order in the english language? You can even treat it as an emote like 'uwu' or shit like that...
    Also, really? 'the majority of the server has no clue what you're saying which makes us look like fools if we don't delete it under english-only rule '? Did anyone ever have a problem aside from you and maybe Andresian? Did anyone complain? Did this meme hurt anyone?
    You know what I saw instead? At least two lurkers coming and see you remove post and decide that it's pointless post removing that is stupid. By the way, the average lurker and 'majority of the server' doesn't know the rules by memory. They don't think you're fools for allowing people to have fun.
    Sticking to the rules by word is just absurd. The rule probably wasn't even written to prevent stuff like this - it was to prevent entire conversations in a different language, which I did not do. Hence, I think my ban for
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    was unfair. I did not even use these words in the way you mean during the conversation - I can't quote them or what? I was calmly trying to find out and understand why you've suddenly made a change, and why I found your arguments to be lacking logic.
    You did not even warn me once during the entire conversation - you never do, as I said earlier. This is literally how I got banned:
    bunnie: how do you know uraaaa is not a word and know that rzal is a word?
    bunnie: how do you know owo is not a word somewhere?
    Mazey: ........
    Mazey: I had hoped you would try to understand bunnie

    Just this. Yes, you've said why you think they should be banned, but you did not answer my questions or tell me why you've just changed your opinion. You kept repeating in my PM that you've already 'explained everything', ignoring and avoiding questions that you couldn't just answer to. Even blocked me. Why should an admin block someone when he can't respond to arguments?
    bunnie: is the word pidor allowed
    Mazey: no
    bunnie: so why did you never remove it
    Mazey: I explained that to you
    Mazey: not my fault you didn't listen
    Mazey: and I am done

    After my ban, clearly noone else [aside from Andresian] agreed with you, and yet you still continued. Every 'rzal' was removed, you've banned 4 people for literally this:
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    Really? You didn't even let Biurza change his name to 'Biurzal'?
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    No, everyone didn't suddenly start hating you, trolling, being edgy or baiting; they just didn't like that you started this blatant misinterpretation of the rules and actually enforcing it like that. How many mutes or bans given out for practically nothing? 10? 15? including many active discord users and even an ex-mod? all of them, of course, by Mazey?
    You've made a bot which mutes people for words like 'rzal'. Let's not mention the fact that it didn't even work and mute for using big letters - but how petty can you be to do stuff like this? Is it supposed to be a middle finger to the community that you're just going to swing a banhammer around and not care at all? censoring M E M E S of all, while like noone thinks what you do is proper???? Just because the rules technically allow you to? 1d mute no warning for 'trolling' in #off-topic lol are you serious?
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    Geti himself has said that he finds banning words like this pointless and counter-community, and you know it very well. You ignored me every time I tried reminding it to you.
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    I'm sad that this happened - you were a nice person once, but it seems like since you've became the only administrator, you started feeling like you can do everything and started power tripping. You've literally became pretty much everything we both disliked in Galen, and I really don't understand why.

    Kinda tired of the stupid bans at this point and admins deciding to do something stupid randomly all the time at this point... sorry for a bit chaotic post.
    @Geti thoughts?
     

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  16. Magmus

    Magmus Horde Gibber Official Server Admin

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    I just wanted to add that 'rzal' is just a meme born in the game and that every active player know; it was cool to use even by Mazey himself some months ago (last one 16 days ago), but now its strictly illegal, banning a lot of members for asking the reason for the bans and the bot even auto-removes every message that contains it.
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    Also it is used most of the time on #off_topic as it is just a meme, rarely on others channels. Never noticed someone flooding it or spamming it BEFORE it turned into a problem for no reason, so the reason that "50 members are spamming it" is stupid.
     
  17. PUNK123

    PUNK123 Hella wRangler Staff Alumni Tester

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    Ban Ternazey for speedhacking
    seriously tho why the hell is there an automatic filter on kag discord. I type real and it gets deleted big meme. I type real again. With spaces to see how effective the barrier is. I then type Rzal with a capital r and it goes through. At this point im more confused than anything else and want to see if normal rzal goes through. I type that and have no idea how long im muted. Honestly this is ridiculous where admins are so lazy they cant find and respond to rule breaking they need to use an automatic peice of crap that isnt fully clear and doesnt help users follow what is and isnt against the rules. For the love of god you dont even play kag or contribute to the community why are you being so heavy handed with the few of us who still suffer along.
     
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  18. AgentHightower

    AgentHightower Shopkeep Stealer Staff Alumni Tester
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    I've not been much active but i've been checking the chat from time to time, and i'm pretty disappointed. I really did not expect Mazey to ever act like that. Like why would you even just punish someone for "baiting" with a letter change? I can't take this shit seriously, bunnie doesn't really deserve the punishments. Myself, I did dislike his rzal words and etc. at times but i didn't go to the point of punishing him for it. I just moved on lol.
     
  19. Guitarman

    Guitarman Bison Rider Official Server Admin Tester

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    As a moderator on the discord I'm pretty disappointed by the whole situation. Using an automod to delete racial slurs and what not is one thing, but using it to delete and punish people for what is little more than a meme is ridiculous. Arguing that using rzal, o korde (and whatever else you consider homek speak) is in violation of the english only rule and 'impossible to moderate' is bizarre. If people were communicating solely in this bastardized polish, ie having conversations in it, writing paragraphs etc, then yes that is unmodable and in violation of rule 9. However that's not how it's being used at all. Usually people are just saying things like 'rzal hehe' in response to something someone else said. If its getting spammed and effecting peoples ability to hold a conversation then its trivial for a human mod/admin to take necessary action to rectify the situation.
     
  20. franek123

    franek123 The architect of the royal castle. Donator Tester

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    War for Memes (KAG 2019 colorised)
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