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Open letter to Aphelion

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by norill, Feb 11, 2014.

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  1. BlueLuigi

    BlueLuigi :^) Forum Moderator Donator Tester

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    Again your mindset of locking is a stupid one, and is exactly why every thread you people cry out to lock ends in this same conversation that I then end up having with the moderators who lock it.

    If you don't want to see more of it, ignore it.

    That does not there is not more to be said, it also does not mean more has to be

    Your posts are basically off topic at this point about closing it, go make a damn close request thread or something and do it there, no one is stopping you from hitting unwatch and ignoring it.

    see: Superblackcat's posts, for things that actually maybe get said when a thread fucking stays open, and now if someone opposes that view they can easily respond to it.
     
    BlueLuigi, Feb 14, 2014
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  2. Superblackcat

    Superblackcat baideist baide Staff Alumni Tester

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    YFW no one cares about the issue, and is trying to discuss how to solve code 'borrowing' from happening in the future.

    Please: Read the quote I posted about 3 posts up. It's not hard.
     
    Superblackcat, Feb 14, 2014
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  3. Klokinator

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    This is the most reasonable thing said for this thread's existence so far. In fact, I dare say this is the only reason a thread should be made instead of PMing.

    But then again...

    Why is it that I was told not to post originally by staff? Why was I supposed to leave the floor open for Norill and Aphelion to settle this themselves? Why was discussion originally stifled so that these two people could sort it out themselves first?

    A: Because inherently, instinctively, you all know they should have been PMing each other before public shaming.

    Well that, and I wasn't exactly spitting facts out. Not gonna deny that I didn't know what I was 100% talking about. Even then, 27 lines of code out of 2,000 is a pretty big step up to "This guy stole everything of mine and I am so mad that I will post a topic and then halfheartedly give up on actually defending my points after three posts and then declare my boredom."

    And yes at this point I have compared a lot of code, sadly. Waste of my time but hey I did learn how easy modding structure for KAG is. No wonder people like messing with it :O
     
    Klokinator, Feb 14, 2014
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  4. Superblackcat

    Superblackcat baideist baide Staff Alumni Tester

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    Dude klokinator, could you address the topic of "How to fix this" Instead of keep trying to argue about that shit that no one cares about?

    None of us are arguing that Aphelion is some big baddy, you guys are making that assumption. That post was about 4 pages ago, and FBB has indeed opened up the floor, so why are you so butthurt about it?

    We are trying to fucking solve the problem, if you don't have an idea, don't come here 'protecting' aphelion...

    It's funny how I say this in a PM, and klok ignores it, I say it here, and klok will probably still ignore it.
     
    Superblackcat, Feb 14, 2014
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  5. Nivlac_13

    Nivlac_13 Shopkeep Stealer

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    Klokinator is of the opinion that PM'ing is the best way to handle this situation

    Now that we understand that. I think a thread or something devoted to mod license violations would be a great idea. I'd hate to be in charge of such a thing and I don't really believe that this sort of thing happens often. If it actually does happen every once in a while and I've been oblivious to it a dedicated place to put such complaints is a wonderful idea.
     
    Nivlac_13, Feb 14, 2014
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  6. Superblackcat

    Superblackcat baideist baide Staff Alumni Tester

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    Well, I'm sure it will happen. If not on purpose, then just accidentally.

    The thing is, you can't solve this with a PM. You PM the guy, and he changes it, but there's no real punishment, or deterrent from doing that. Nothing bad happens, if anyone cares enough to read through all your mods codes, and catches you, they PM you and well, you delete it and get off free.

    That doesn't work, we need a system in place that deals with it automatically. This is as bad as griefing and hacking, if not worse.
     
    Superblackcat, Feb 14, 2014
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  7. Klokinator

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    This is a good point. Not agreeing with everything you've said in the previous posts, but this is a good point.

    I think that if you caught someone stealing your code though and you PM'd them, you should also PM a moderator or admin if it's resolved and say "Hey, so and so did this." Might maybe help I guess?
     
    Klokinator, Feb 14, 2014
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  8. Superblackcat

    Superblackcat baideist baide Staff Alumni Tester

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    I feel as if there should be a system in place like the griefer/hacker one.
     
    Superblackcat, Feb 14, 2014
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  9. Sirpixelot

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    Alrighty, now that we got most of the arguments out of the way. -Hopefully-
    I'd say that there should be some sort of like... YouTube Content ID like program somehow installed into KAG itself. Most of us who use YouTube should know how effective it is.

    The difference is, that modders who create codes of any kind, can place a sort of copyright on their codes. And whenever someone uses that script, the Content ID like program will scan all modded files in the server and compare it too the codes other's have placed in Content ID. If there's several lines similar to the one the creator made. Then the person who modded the server will be warned and will be asked to place the name of the scripter in their description... if they do not comply, they will get the server removed.

    The server owner who has gotten his server removed however, can file a sort of complaint about it to the guy who owns the script, and they can get it lifted if they want to. owo

    (Obviously this is difficult to code and might be accepted any time soon by the devs, but it's only a suggestion. If it's a vague suggestion then ask to clarify.)
     
    Sirpixelot, Feb 14, 2014
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  10. Nivlac_13

    Nivlac_13 Shopkeep Stealer

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    Is this really big enough of a problem that it can't be handled on a case by case basis?
     
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  11. BlueLuigi

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    The chances of the devs working on something like this are probably 0 if not approaching 0. They are busy with other prospects and consider King Arthur's Gold BETA in most cases to be a finished game.

    That said, the resources system is a sort of hackney system that can do this, by posting your mod to the Resources section, you can freely add in copyright information to the mod itself, very clearly at the top if you so wish, and this establishes it as yours pretty much, if you copy it from someone else and put it there before them, it could be disputed, but I doubt that will happen often, and if people actually use it, it won't happen pretty much at all.

    Considering how long beta has been open and it's happened less than once a month, it most likely can be handled on a case by case basis, however some over arcing questions should be asked.
    1)Who should be involved (Just the 2 parties? An admin? A dev?)
    2)Who should be involved if it escalates (Theft where the accused refuses to comply)
    3)What if any punishment should the developers/admins allow? Forum ban if you refuse to comply and steal code? Account ban? Realistically it is a legal issue and a community issue, not really one for the developer to get involved in, and if becomes common place it is too costly timewise for them to do so)
    4)Should a section be considered for this, should it be handled in Reports for Abuse or General Discussion?

    Most of these questions are things that I am sure if this becomes common enough will be handled by the likes of forum admins, Furai, and the rest of the KAG dev team, however I, like you, doubt that it will come to that and can simply be handled on a per user basis without the need to invoke anyone of a higher status, however I'm sure that since it happened people would like to lend their opinion on the matter, and some may very well prove to be useful to those making decisions, as well as may influence it, so there is no harm in at least considering it.
     
    BlueLuigi, Feb 14, 2014
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  12. Sirpixelot

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    Oh I know that, that's why I suggested it. Food for thought yea? c:
     
    Sirpixelot, Feb 14, 2014
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  13. FuzzyBlueBaron

    FuzzyBlueBaron Warm, Caring, Benign, Good and Kind Philanthrope Global Moderator Forum Moderator Donator Tester
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