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Orange is the new blue

Discussion in 'Balance' started by Verzuvius, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    I'd like to see water arrows have their price increased to 30g.

    And.

    I'd like to see fire arrows have their price decreased to 20g.

    If this would be added archers would start to spam fire arrows instead of water arrows. I think everyone would love that. Also would it make archers a "better" class. The fire element is cool and I love that archers are the only ones who can use it. Though, I think it's used like... almost never, only when your opponent's shops are 95% - 100% of wood.

    And for the very last. I've seen some people complaining about water is too cheap and water buckets are useless. So if my idea actually was added, those people would be happy (for a week or so...).
     
  2. mcrifel

    mcrifel Ballista Bolt Thrower Forum Moderator Official Server Admin Tester
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    I actually really like this idea! +1
     
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  3. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    I think fire arrows could use a price decrease to 25 gold but that's it. I don't think water arrows should be more costly because archers aren't making any money from hitting you. Fire arrow spam would not be as fun as you'd think. There would be too many players on fire making it hard for combat to exist. People would be constantly shielding and builders would resort to even more tunneling
     
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  4. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    And then builders would be nerfed! YAY!

    There are a lot of maps with water and even if fire arrows had their cost decreased they wouldn't massively be spammed.
     
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  5. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    Do you know how bad water spam is? Think of that but with fire arrows.
     
  6. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    50%-80% of the arrows will miss the target.
     
  7. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    And you are getting these statistics from where? Think about players like oodle, skinney, and tater who are very accurate. Tater can single me out when I bomb jump as it is, fire arrows would just make things worse. I think they need to be cheaper no doubt, but definitely not 20g.
     
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  8. Nighthawk

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    I like the current price for fire arrows. And the fact that fire arrows aren't used often isn't due to their price - it's because they're simply not that useful that often. I don't believe encouraging Archers to spam fire will make them better as a class or improve the game. After all, one of the differences between an experienced Archer and an inexperienced Archer is knowing when to use fire arrows, and being able to deliver them to their target.

    That said, I wouldn't mind seeing water arrows' price increased. I do think they get spammed too much, making it all too easy for enemy Archers to negate fire when it's used.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2015
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  9. TheDirtySwine

    TheDirtySwine Bison Rider Staff Alumni Donator

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    Fire arrows are a one shot kill on archers and I think it would be a good strategy to use them more often, it's just that they are too expensive to be worth it. If archers used fire arrows to get knights health down that'd be great. I just wouldn't want them to get spammed
     
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  10. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    So, will this be added and is this even a good idea?

    @Trumbles
     
  11. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Ballista Bolt Thrower Tester

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    I like the idea, but I think water arrows should give back 5 coins when they hit something to make up for the increase in price.
     
  12. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    I like that you like my idea but I don't think that water arrows should give back 5 coins for every hit. Giving coins back would increase the spam.

    2x Water arrows: 30g

    2x hits: 10g

    Total cost: 20g

    As water arrows can hit multiple enemies.

    2x water arrows: 30g

    4-6x hits: 20-30g

    Total cost: 0g-10g

    0g! Free water arrows!? No, thanks!

    I supposed you meant "someone", not "something".
     
  13. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Ballista Bolt Thrower Tester

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    @Verzuvius Maybe make it so that the max from one water arrow is 5g?
     
  14. Auburn

    Auburn Prepare Yourself! Forum Moderator Official Server Admin Donator Tester
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    I like this idea quite a bit actually. Although it may just be in part that I enjoy setting people on fire, and hate water spam. As Verz said, buckets would have a use again, to keep your wooden building fireproof, just stick a bucket in where you think the fire will go, and whoever's nearby can douse a fire.
    Also the effect of fire is much less annoying than that of water. Water leaves you sitting there, stunned and defenseless against anything that comes your way. Fire on the other hand, you take extra damage and you're forced to move in a direction, but you can at least control and defend yourself.
     
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  15. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    Welp, I am not convinced. 5g if it actually hits the target maybe would fit. Hit on shield or on ground shouldn't give any coins at all.
     
  16. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Ballista Bolt Thrower Tester

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    Maybe make it so a shield does count as a hit, otherwise you make it so people wait for people to unshield to fire their water arrows which may not be beneficial to the team.
     
  17. Trumbles

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    Meh, 30g is a good place for fire arrows, but water arrows are way too cheap, and water arrow spam is cancer.

    I honestly just wish that water ammo would have some other function aside from stunning. Once a couple of archers decide that the only thing they want to use is water arrows, combat ceases to exist.
     
  18. Verzuvius

    Verzuvius Shark Slayer

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    So the archer should have their items cost between 30-50g?

    If you compare that to the knight's items: 25-120g!

    What I am trying to say is that it would be kinda wonky with items that almost cost the same. However if water arrows made something else, then it would be acceptable and maybe even awesome! Archers would then really become that "specialist-class" which people have talked about. Though I rather see a new item than a buffed water arrow.
     
  19. Blue_Tiger

    Blue_Tiger Ballista Bolt Thrower Tester

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    Water arrows can be used to put our fires, m8.
     
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  20. Trumbles

    Trumbles Base Burner

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    Oy, you think I don't know that? What I mean is that it's combat purpose should be changed.. Being able to stunlock someone for a solid 10+ seconds isn't a good or fun gameplay mechanic.

    Either stun time should be shortened to be in line with the stun of slashes, or it should have a different purpose, such as causing knockback or slowed movement speed.
     
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