ReBalance mod discussion

Remember to not assume things about this mod. This thread is not a place to be angry, make sure to be reasonable and try playing the mod first. Last night we had a 7v7 that was plenty fun. What we value more than discussion without having played is feedback from the people have tried it first hand. Remember the goal of this is to make the game more fun for all parties.

Archers sitting at the top of a tower spamming is not fun imo. It's more fun to try and kite and shot a knight because you're fragile if you mess up you die. Shotgun is the only reason archer is even bearable in the current game. There might need to be some tweaks to archer currently, and I have been looking for some things to change about knight a little bit. But again I haven't seen a lot of the people being upset actually play the mod with 10-12 people.

Also I don't know raynes thoughts on this, but the mod is a community effort that's why we are trying to include you guys with feedback. That's why we want you to get friends together and play some matches on the server. I don't think we would be opposed to anybody else joining us in coding the mod either. If you have an idea you can try coding it and we can likely help you test it. A lot of things we are not eager to code ourselves sometimes because we have a bias of how we think the game should be. However if someone codes something it makes it a lot easier for us to just let it be tried.

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Nothing is set in stone what we have on the front page is basically what we want to try for the first wave. Once we have finished making sure everything there is ready. We'll go into a testing/feedback mode. We want lots more testing before we change anything. Then we'll go for a second wave of changes/removing/fixing ect. Then we'll repeat.

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Bomb satchel is currently not class specific. (You just buy it at the archer shop).

 

So it could be a good consumable tool for builders to sink their money into besides having to buy things for other classes? That seems like quite a good thing to me.

As for testing, I always check to see if there's anybody playing it. Why not remove the password? Then there might be more frequent matches.

Which is why adding arrow piercing would be great! Then you'd actually be less effective if you chose to camp, you couldn't get off as many good multi-hits because you'd be firing from a steeper angle. Currently all that going up close to kite does is make it a little easier to aim and respond faster to knights.

I think shotgun is kind of frustrating on the other end though, it shouldn't be the only thing that makes archer bearable.

 

because the mechanics are not finalized and I don't want people getting the wrong idea about it as noburu said.

Arrow piercing as a special attack is something I've always wanted, but geti ignored me in favour of the shotgun. I can add it in a similar fashion as the builder axe, using a new menu in the inventory to toggle which special to use. I don't think piercing should be added in any other way.

Although, I'll hold off til the second round of changes to see if its needed at all, archer is getting a lot of love in the first round.

 

Tbh, I really, really like this. It's a parallel to how mine comes from the knight shop and is available to all classes. Also, allowing builders to access it makes for fascinating plays where:

1) builder places/lights bomb satchel,
2) builder places a quick layer of wood around bomb satchel,
3) builder runs off whooping, laughing, spamming 25257878,
4) bomb satchel goes off before enemy is able to hack through the wood and disable the bomb. ​

Simple glorious.

I guess? But, honestly, if the knife is doing, what, 0.5 hearts a strike, then it's a very, very ballsy archer who tries to 1v1 a knight with it.

 

That sounds really broken if you ask me, the entire purpose of the bomb satchel is to be a counter-able version of the bomb arrow. I will be restricting it to only archers, as I don't want knights using them either. Also, the mine is available for all classes, this is true, but knights can take advantage of them the most with their shields.

I don't want the knife to damage players at all personally.

Aside from recoding the builder(from scratch) to actually work well, all the planned changes for the first round are on the front page, and will not be changing much. We'll adjust minor details, but for the most part I agree with you. I have faith that we'll only need 1 round of public testing before we can move on to other things like siege and workshops.
Of course, we'll version control our code for each release so if someone doesn't like the current version, they can always dl an older one for them to host on a server themselves.

 

Truth. But forgive me for warming to a broken builder--having had my favourite class broken (in a non-OP way) for what feels like forever now.

 

You can still test it out solo and give us feedback. Any and all feedback is much appreciated.

 

I'm still in the camp of giving arrows more variable damage.

IMO piercing projectile attacks are better suited to siege, and that's something I would like to visit in the near future. Re-tooling siege, some random thoughts in no particular order.

General

Changes
- Gunner's camera is shifted towards facing direction

*better vision for the gunner, currently your projectiles can extend past your screens edges​

- Increased damage taken from fire, increased fire duration

*counter-able counter to siege, just add water​

- Fire spreads to passengers
- Only the driver can immobilize siege
- Immobilization only temporarily disables wheels

* allows siege to be captured and reversed for counter rekking​

Catapult

Changes
- Longer stone range

*offensive incentive​

- Increased minimum charge time

*reduces defensive spam​

- Added workbench

*allows boulders to be crafted where they're needed​

Light Ballista (new siege)

Description: Fires pin-point accurate bolts from long range, piercing through even the hardiest of Knights.
Role: Sniping and offensive area denial.​

Heavy Ballista (re-tooled ballista)

Description: Fires arcing explosive bolts from long range, turning even the hardiest fortifications into rubble!
Role: Long range siege.
Changes
- Removed spawning
- Removed class change
- Longer reload time

*gives defenders more time to react​

- Narrower arc of fire

*bolts follow a more predictable and counter-able trajectory​

- Higher minimum angle

*bolts will be fired at higher angles allowing for longer reaction times
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I personally don't like how cumbersome it is to move siege around and would like to look into interesting ways to solve that problem (bunny hopping siege?).