Tell me im wrong (noob thread)

It's amazing how unbelievably unbalanced this game is
It blows my mind how OP knights are
It simply amazes me how the player base blindly condones such shitty game design.

 

ohai fellow troper


I think everyone can agree on the few basic things of
Knights need to be less game-changing
Archers need to have more than mobility and bomb/fire arrows to their name


In my opinion, I think Archers need some way of being more threatening to Knights. At the moment, it takes a good four arrows to take one out, and if they have their shield up you can only hurt them if you get close.. which would be stupid, since the Knight can use one slash to take out an Archer. This means that unless there are good knights on your team, Archers are borderline useless unless they have mad skills. I'm going to disregard pros and speak on an even playing field of average players. Most people can't pull off any surprise stomp followed by legolas shot stuff to kill a Knight, while most everyone can understand 'light keg, drop keg, slash people nearby.'


I also think buildings should be more... useful. I know this has been very debatable, but defense should hold more value than it does right now. Maybe not to the point where it's better than offense, but there should be a point where a constant assault doesn't almost always equal a win.

I honestly have no idea how these things can be balanced out, I'm not a game designer, but I think they are problems.


EDIT: And I got ninja'd by a 'dont talk about balance' post. Oops.

 

This was super helpful thanks.

where do I find these clans? Is the forums the best place?
Unfortunately I don't feel I am a top tier builder just yet but I think being able to contact those top tier people would be very informative.

I love this stuff. This is what I'm talking about for an offensive builder (or defense). Yes your chances of winning are less but at least you have a chance. A little bit of skill and finesse and your killing knights that's all I want. obviously this is very situational and the skill of the knights is questionable but it is still great.

Archers, archers, archers, you can already tell from some of the previous posts that there are some very passionate archers in KAG community. I don't think they are a horrible class I just wish they could be more annoying i guess. As stated before making them as powerful as a knight would be ridiculous so maybe the best route would be give them more CC. Off the top of my head like, caltrops, (Its a ninja weapon used to impede movement( archers are basically ninjas already :D)) throw them down knights are slower can't jump as high making them an easier target for everyone. Maybe a molotov cocktailesque weapon. I know they have the fire arrow but this would be more close range aoe weapon. I'll check and see put it in the suggestions.

 

thanks for the quick reply ill do that

 

No? A skilled knight is matched by other knights. Not by some camping archer with a dedicated "kill nearby knights" button.

 

Forum Mod has gone and deleted my posts, not even going to bother. There's no freedom of speech, or ability to express opinions here.
Screw it.

 

Actually they didn't delete it but just moved it to nerf knight thread in balance.

also you have freedom of speech the problem is your just ranting. Meaning your just saying a bunch of negative things without backing it up. I still don't like knight as a class but that's how this game is designed they are a necessary evil in order to win the game based on objectives.

I'm just going to assume you like playing either archers or builders because if you played a knight I don't think you would have any complaints. When I first started this thread it was basically to try and understand how you deal with knights cause in all seriousness this is a knightcentric (I like making words) game.

On that note I kinda wish that shields had durability. So say for example you've pumped 15 arrows into a guys shield it would break. Mostly I want this so I can just drill a knights shield then shortly after drill the knight :). Cause if you put in the work you should get some kind of results I figure. I know this is not realistic cause why would a knight even think of blocking a builder so I'll just have to settle for drilling the knight.

 

Isn't that the way it should be?
Quality over quantity is better than spam over skill.

 

It's not a bad idea, I just don't know how the damage values would be set for that. Would a bomb break a shield? I feel like it would actually be a huge nerf, because while shields are pretty shit at blocking slashes anyway, they're still used for quite a lot of utility. You glide using them, you slide using them, and most importantly, you block bombs with them. If a single bomb broke a shield, or even three, then how badly would that fuck them up? Would bombspam be a legit tactic for getting rid of shields? If bombs don't, then you could just send a legion of builders with your knights to get rid of shields and then the knights to ez them? Or even worse, builders would be sent out instead of knights to get rid of their shields, archers could pick them off, and then the builders could just tear into the enemy base. Could a shield be replenished? Would archerspam be as bad of a problem as it was in Classic? Worst case scenario, knights are made completely obsolete.

I just feel that there are too many downsides to this idea to warrant making them softer for builders. Like I said, it's not a bad idea at all, it just raises a LOT of questions for me.

 

This is a bit vague but I'm going to assume you mean that a knight one shot requires more skill than a archer multiple shots. Now this is purely an assumption so anything I draw from this idea really can't blow back on you.

Knights do have a higher skill based fighting system then an archer yes that's a fact but that's not to say there is no skill required to be an archer. I would argue you have to have more skill to be an archer and more dedicated. The reason being everything is stacked against the archer.

-Grappling hook: you mess up once your basically dead.
-Glider shield: fall from any distance unharmed.

-Shield-less: anything and everything kills you
-Shield: protected from everything but Kegs and cata/balista (or can they block cata/balista)

-Your main opponent has a shield which negates, potenially, all your damage (does it block bomb arrows too?)
-An archer is seen more as an annoyance then a threat

-archers HAVE to be smart about positioning
-Knights go where they please

So I kinda feel that archers have been painted into a bit of a corner. They spam arrows cause they don't have much in the way of options as a class. Obviously there are those crafty archer that Tarzan there way to your tower and drop boulders on your face (which is awesome). I would love to see more stuff like that. I still think you need more skill to be a good archer versus a good knight. Again this is all based on assumption. :P

 

Fixed a tiny bit of grammar just because I'm a g-nazi.


Okay, I have an issue with this entire post. This seems to be made with the argument that the main enemy of the archers is the knight. This is not the case. Archers are tactical. They're support. They're supposed to monkey their way in, do some damage, fuck with the other base, and generally just make things more difficult for the other team. They are not made to fight knights. Maybe hurt them and slow them down, yes. Not fight them. They both take an equal amount of skill, obviously in my personal opinion, but they have different niches. Knights push, archers aid, builders build (upon the entrances created by the other two.)

Knights are supposed to fight other knights. If a builder or archer gets in the way, they're a free +1.

Please explain what you mean instead of just stating opinions. I've already explained how these classes are not that simple, so if you're going to go the other way, explain why my argument is invalid. Please don't just say "iz juss ez-r dude i plai so much"

 

In no way would a shield be flimsy if anything like this happened because bomb jumping is large part of what makes a knight so deadly. So the shield could take multiple bomb hits (off the top of my head) like ten. I don't play much knight so I don't even know if that number is even realistic. This wouldn't actually change game play much. I think this would only effect super knights that kill everyone. so at some point it forces them to get a new shield which i assume you would get at a warrior shop, or the spawn. The only reason I like this idea is because if your a good archer you rewarded by at least reducing the durability of the knights shield.

I don't think swords would reduce durability cause if your blocking a double slash your basically dead anyway.

After mentioning all that in a backwards way this would promote spawn camping. meh just an idea.