This game is great but has a horrible community.

Bloody hell, I go away for a week and... >.<

@soulrealm and everyone arguing with him: IF YOU DO NOT TAKE YOUR SQUABBLINGS TO PM I WILL BE HANDING OUT INFRACTIONS FOR *EVERY*SINGLE*FRINKING*POST* YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IN THIS THREAD!

Srsly guys, this thread is for discussing the face the KAG community presents to newcomers and dramas about corruption and bribing are off-topic and have no place here. Wading through the garbage that's been spouted I'm having trouble determining exactly where the line was crossed between 'slightly-but-not-too-off-topic' & 'obviously off-topic' and exactly who is implicated in crossing said line. Thus I've decided to let the whole thing stand as it is on the condition that you cease posting about it in this thread and instead take it to flaming PM like you should have buggering well have done in the first place!

@everyone else: Please feel free to keep discussing the ins & outs of community building and how we could create a more welcoming environment for newer players. Please do not post about Guard abuse here, instead please refer to Kyzak's excellent post.

Thank you all for your cooperation. I will now return to my cranky cave.

 

Shush, Schizo, you know KAG is best community.

And, honestly, KAG is great, apart from the inherent choice dickwranglers.

*worms desperately back into FBB's affections*

//Shush, you; even when I kill you you know I still love you.

 

To be honest the kag community is alright but it depends on which server you are on and whose the admin there... I've been called mean things, even on a profile page (not naming names) and also my buildings hav been called horrible, so the kag community can be a bit rough, but once people start to know you, they dont think you'll grief, today I was on a server and because I tried to Chang teams but it won't let me since I just joined, i couldn't move, I accidently right clicked as a builder in front of an admin. :/ i don't know why but I wasn't frozen.

The kag community is not used to newbies, but the game does provide a builder tutorial, just press solo and the builder button. Also there is knight as a solo which you can practice knight and archur and with a bit of modding you can add bombs and builder. On the dev blog and on here, the guards etc. said there will be video's helping newbies and older players alike.
There is a modding forum, and is somethings to help you and will be more in th future, the guards and the kag team are doing great, there making things basic for biggeners and there are things a bit more challenging for expeirenced players. The future of this game looks promising, sorry if you leave the game because of the communtity.

P.S sorry if this comment was a bit off-topic
//Not at all, your thoughts are most pertinent.

 

Wait, didn't we have the Beginner checkboxsetup so that this sort of thing stopped happening?

Well at least it isn't as heard of as before.

The community at least that OP is referring to is not the problem, the problem has always been and probably will continue to be in KAG's regards the fact that picking up the game is not easy, no one cares to actually make a way for newbies to learn because when everyone cared to do it the tools were not provided (when it started with we'll start giving you X back in January signs were fucking #1 because people wanted to do this, where is it now? Still not implemented), so now it's never been done because how do I automatically signify other than with signs someone what this building does, why it does it, etc?

A lot of us could have easily setup newb servers and were waiting for that feature to do so that would teach them, hell on regular servers we could set up signs explaining NOT to build ground doors, etc, but since it was never done, it's kind of a bygone thing now and oh well \o/

KAG's numbers have fallen so much that the care level is low, it might garner new attention after the scripting update when people can actually do these things, but they'll never learn to play classic KAG from it since it's so different.

You probably did a worse job putting them on the ground. I think I was around that day as I remember someone getting banned for that, but don't recall who it was, just recall in mumble someone saying "Some faggot is building ground doors", and literally 2 seconds later the enemy reaches the doors and the same idiot held the doors open and there went the whole fucking tower, so he was banned.

Most of the time you see someone just banned it's probably going to be me, I'll freeze them, wait for a response, I get none? Ban. Usually only after doing something that stupid.

Minecrafters, tell them to get to the front line and stop minecrafting once, twice, maybe three times, if I've respawned 3 times and I still see you minecrafting behind ht ebase and have never once seen you at any of the front lines, you are probably gonna just be banned.

The reasoning is simple, bad players easily ruin the game. When we're playing games on the Action server generally the streamroll wins are not because one team is so much better but because the other team has so many useless players that are doing nothing be that:
1)day 1 newbies - don't know what the fuck to do
2)minecrafters - wasting everyone's time/slots on the team to decorate
3)idlers - running around doing nothing, at, all, usually just kicked cause probably afk a bit.

That said if I ever ban someone without talking to them and they write me on the forums they get unbanned, almost always whether deserved or not (unless you're someone like rusher lol), simply because of the fact that them being on the forums means that they probably will actually become a bit more familiar with the game and have access now, or have shown to, the builder forums etc, which means there is a chance they'll actually at some point become useful members and not space-wasting-builders.

90% of the people I ban are builders
;_;

lol homoluster


e:
Almost forgot, it's like everyone forgot the entire problem we had for the longest time, which is still this exact same problem, people who are new and refuse help, there is one thing about wanting to learn the game and make your own mistakes, and there is another thing about making them to make us lose a match. I was a bit more tolerant about this when I played like 12hours a day, but now that I play maybe 1-2 matches a day, yes I get pissed when someone makes a tower to the heavens, or when someone decides it's a good idea to dig through something without placing background to put doors. 80% of the time during build time I need editor on to stop collapses right after freezing someone before they happen, it's fucking insane.

e2:Speaking of not newb friendly, stop editing posts you damn mods and post a goddamn post yourself, that just confuses forum newbs.

 

The thing about people playing like idiots, with absurd tactics and stupidly designed towers, is that they are either new to the game, and inexperienced, or long time players, who do it for the sake of it. If a meticulously awful strategy wins the game for you, then you are truly pleased.

 

tdlr.

Anyway, there are no beginner CTF servers.
And people can be noob like shit, but you can still act normal to them. Just saying.

 

too dicked long read?
I won't write a long post in a thread like this unless it has a point.

We've tried that before, there are literally 3 threads with 20+ pages about exactly why helping out newbies instead of ignoring/banning them doesn't work, when you just tell someone without being admin that what they're doing is bad and try to explain to them a better way of doing it 9/10 times they tell you to fuck off or something.

When I ran into the 1/10 usually I became instant friends with them

The 1/10 are usually great, but the other 9... fuck them in the ass you are better off banning them cause they'll start griefing soon after if you keep telling them they're bad.

 

I do it because it lets other forum uses know that yes there are mods watching and yes they are okay with said post (so don't go posting off-topic junk about how said post is off-topic when it's really not pleaseandthankyou) without creating an off-topic post. Additionally, by editing there's nothing for people to a) needlessly reply to or b) needlessly 'like'--both of which tend to happen otherwise.

If anyone has more questions/comments about the practice please PM me about it as I will burn any reply/reference to this post in this thread with Infract-O-Fire™ for being needlessly off-topic.

 

I am truly pleased whenever I find someone helping a new player. It's means that he is nice enough to stop playing to give a hand to the new guy, and that the new guy is willing to listen.

I don't think the cenario is that bad as Luigi affirm, but he has a point: Not everyone is willing to listen.

 

GT. Don't be mean to PumpkingSlice behind his back; he was annoying, but he wasn't necessarily a bad player. I could highlight the problems of many well-known players on KAG, but I don't, because I respect most of them.

Don't be a dick unless they actively deserve it.