Devlog Weekly News – KAG Update for Halloween

As a guy who made use of tramps consistently can say they've lost their coolness factor as you could apply them with different angles which now make no difference. Allowing for two as max velocity perhaps may be proper. Otherwise Im happy power cannons are done for. I find it funny someone prefers chaos with tramps but not chaos with mines.

 

It'd be cool if it was slightly easier for knights to destroy a mine. Like, a few jabs or 2 slashes or something. It's terribly hard to do anything as a knight, and archers just blow you up if they try to destroy it. Of course builders can break it ez, but when do you see frontline builders? never

 

I think it might be fair if it took at least like 4 knight slashes or 2 arrows to disarm a mine. Any less and it's really not much of an inconvenience to players with good situational awareness.

Anyone who touches a mine should still die, but those within the blast radius should maybe just get hurt to some extent.

 

1. Sthap remove my post
2. When classic will get new update?

 

I like the new feature of tramps where they work even while being carried, but I don't think it was a good idea to remove tramp cannons. I've built a lot of them and just because your team has one doesn't mean it's an assured win. If anything, they needed slight nerfs. But a complete removal? Really salty about it.

 

"Quality of posts on these forums degrades with each day..." -Furai

To stay on topic so FBB doesn't give me a blue text attack, I have to agree it is quite trash, though it does look nicer, it is missing vital info on it like all spectators, the name of the server, the amount of players, if the server is favorited or not, if it has mods, etc. The old player list was better, though not perfect.

As for mines, I think they only need the following changes...

They should work as a counter to vehicles and do heavy damage to them if they're touching them (fun fact! Mines were originally intended to counter boats!) and lone players who make a stupid mistake to step on the mine. As such they should do insta-kill damage to the person who is within a 1 tile radius of the mine, but anyone outside only takes 1 and 3/4 damage (to not let archers die to AoE damage that they take because of their teammates, aka greifing/teamkilling) and knights should be able to shield the radial damage but not the 1 tile radius damage. They should do less damage to blocks because a player can walk into them purposefully to grief a building, kegs are already here to counter buildings, we don't need an explosive that not only acts a trap that only explodes when touching an enemy object and doesn't require timing, but also one that acts as a building destroyer? Unbalanced in every way...

As for trampolines, they are fine, let's be honest: Tramp cannons were an unbalanced part of the game that needed changing. I think the fact that they work when held is brilliant and makes them much more useful, but they should be able to be folded for utility purposes, I don't see why this was changed...

Also Verra don't make tramps heavy items, that will make them useless and clutter like boulders. As of now they are useful and are fine, don't neuter them like THD did to boulders, drills, etc.

On a final note, am I the only one that hates the fact that FBB's name-tag is red though his name includes "Blue".

 

drills have a use, just not for shitter knights who want to LITERALLY 1 man army the game. Boulders were too easy and over-powered, and tramps are just the item that fuck up combat right now when held. Nerfing their ability to be held and fight as usual would be good imo.

 

I'm not saying drills are worthless, I use them all the time, it's just that they did receive a heavy neutering. Boulders were intended as a defense/combat item for builders but could be held by other classes. (I think boulders should be un-nerfed-while keeping the same damage as they have now-but should only be able to be held by boulders) The idea for the tramp isn't really balanced, if your on the front-lines trying to keep your friend in the air, the last thing you want to do is not be able to fight incoming enemies, I just think the bugs need to be fixed with them.

 

>If this was to be added, then there's an even bigger reason to have a better tutorial.

It doesn't even have to be mandatory to complete, something as simple as having an option to go to an optional "advanced" tutorial section (teaching things like bomb-jumping, sawmills, trampolines, etc.) would help newbies a lot more. I've seen other games do this and it really helps players fully understand the game before diving right into it.

Maybe if the bots/mooks were ever improved AI wise then there could be a live action tutorial, which would make the tutorial fun, a lot of other games have done this and it not only gives you a sense of what the actual game is like but it also makes the tutorial more fun instead of it being a chore, TF2 did this, The Escapists did this, and many, many more games did.

But to get back on topic, that idea has no reason to not be added, if someone was dedicated enough they could grief like that, and there needs to be a way to counter something like that.

Also with mines, as I said earlier many players-even in the previous build-would purposefully activate mines to grief their team. It's why mines need a serious tile damage nerf (Kegs already fill the role of tile destruction, we don't need 2 to fill 1 role) and less AoE damage or some sort of way to let other players counter a stupid player stepping on the mine when they're near.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 5, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 5, 2015 ---

Tramp cannons were extremely unbalanced, it was more abuse of the game's mechanics than anything else, it's almost like the whole shenanigans about shield-scaling a whole fort as knight, everyone did it but was it balanced? No, of course not, and neither were trampoline cannons. They were basically stacking the ability of one thing to make a superb version of it, that is way too overpowered. If you really think tramp cannons were a good part of the game, which they sort of were, then maybe...

Instead of having it to where you can't use another trampoline within a fraction of a second of using another, the push of the next trampoline you hit within the time frame is reduced by around 50% (stacks with other trampolines, no, not making a 3 trampoline tramp cannon only have the power of a 2 one, learn your math), to make tramp cannons more balanced but still an option.

@jmandoublepostsonceagain

 

sounds un-needed and tedious for the teammate. If anything this should be reversed to work with enemies so they can actually perform a stomp.

 

Maybe push S to go through the trampoline.

 

teammates should automatically hit a trampoline in a teammates hands or it would feel crappy and weird. Walking around with something that cost wood(very easy to get) that dodges all stomps nerfs the defense of towers. They literally wouldnt be able to attack you from the top and that is completely trash. Also to your ending part no there are several ways to easily avoid being stomped while holding a tramp. You can toss it up so the enemy has next to no chance of hitting you(though a smart one might just snatch your tramp) or you can hold down and do your basic movements(basically a glitch but i dont see it getting fixed so i consider it a mechanic). I think S fits your idea better personally because in most situations you shouldnt be hopping up and down in combat(unless you want to actually use the tramp). It also seems easier and more logical to hold down to have the tramp not affect than to hold up to be able to use it. Then again re-thinking it adding your idea to have it affect both teams might be a solid idea(using w to make it have an effect)

TL;DR: i dont want to enemy to have more options than your teammate but i dont want people at the bottom of the tower to have the advantage of the team at the top of the tower.

 

In order to fix the trampoline abuse, maybe you can't collide with a trampoline that isn't on your team? Either that or a high velocity blob that is not on the same team as the trampoline it hits will go through the trampoline, to make stomping and arrows effective against trampoline abusers.

 

Easy solutions.

1)add whatever new mechanic needs to be added to tramps and add it to a help textbox
2)you can shield and crouch(alot of knights do it) and i doubt it will ever be fixed.(negates stomp damage)
3)you can dodge arrows by just moving forward or back(or shield if you are knight) and i dont see how gearing a mechanic to just archer movement is fair(as im sure that is what you mean when you are jumping to dodge arrows to shoot arrows back)