What is a small change that could improve the current build drastically? [1236]

Honestly, the last stands with tickets were epic. Yes, people had to watch, but sometimes if you got knocked out early, it gave you and your hands a well needed break. Also, buildings are destroyed easier in release than they were in classic. Plus, there's an abundance of servers, I see no harm in turning one of the many official servers in each region into a ticketed game mode. If not that, at least make it so ticketed servers aren't flagged as modded so that people will auto-join them.

 

Agreed. As frustrating as it was sometimes to either a) have pubs waste all your tickets in an endless, senseless rush; or b) play against a team who camped from the get-go-- as frustrating as one/both of those scenarios could be, the last stands were almost always a high point.

Yus. The implementation of a "sudden death" mode (via a majority vote, ofc) could very well be a satisfying solution to an otherwise endless stalemate: suddenly there's a flashing countdown on the screen warning players "Death becomes permanent in x seconds!" and, after a frantic last minute of scrabbling for position, players make their bloody final charges/courageous last stands knowing that the only possible outcomes (before a fresh match begins) are death or glory!

(Damn, the more I think about it, the more I really really want this to be a thing. And, ofc, if someone in being a campy fucker and dragging things out then the host of dead players can vote for a next map/kick the camper)

 

An alternative to a ticket vote is to go to tickets after a set time limit. I think voting is kind of a dangerous thing because there's no telling whether every match is tickets right from the start or never tickets at all. Time would have problems too, of course, but it might be better.

 

Thank you for that constructive and enlightening contribution to the discussion, Fuzzle. The next time we need a bitter and myopic interjection (with suitably sarcastic overtones, ofc) I'm sure you'll be the first to know.
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In all seriousness though: what, exactly, does your post bring to the table beyond a vague assertion about 'configuration options' being the cure to all our woes, a different font, and an odd approach to textual formatting?

You're perfectly entitled to hold your own opinions; however, if you wish to persuade us to adopt your beliefs then seriously consider upping your game. Your backing for your 'configuration options' assertion failed to include any mention of how tickets or timers could be used effectively and instead rested on some weak anecdotal evidence about "servers with few people". You grossly conflated sudden death (where play continues --albeit with higher stakes, given that players cannot respawn after they die) with a stalemate vote (where play ends immediately) despite their clear differences. You imply (unsubtly, I might add) that those of us suggesting possible fixes are not only blind/stupid ("There exists multiple ( obvious ) solutions to the stalemate problem already") but also vainglorious and egocentric ("Why reinvent the wheel; to feel important?") because doing so carries the slim possibility of bolstering your otherwise floundering argument.

In short, your post has little-to-no redeeming qualities. It is flippant. It is self-serving. It is simultaneously both astringent and insipid in a most dishonest fashion.

Please, for the love of Hella's love of lungfish: why did you bother posting in the first place??!?

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Wait. No. Don't answer that.

Instead, just do us all a favour and post logically, coherently, and constructively the next time you decide to dish out some criticism. Thank you, and goodnight.

 

Such logic, coherence, and constructiveness!

Well, the difference is that there's still a winner with a sudden death. That's the whole point of his proposal.

And then you go on to argue that you like tickets? That's what his sudden death idea is all about.

And yes, I agree, stalemates aren't always a problem. They're even fun sometimes. So why are constant tickets and timers, something that affects all games and basically just acts as a length cap, better than a vote?

Or, y'know, because we want more fun? Nah, we just want to feel good about ourselves. That's more likely.


It seems like you guys might actually agree with each other on the actual topic, there may have just been a misunderstanding.

 

Not going dignify Fuzzle with a reply, Potatobird, but just to pick up on some points you made.

Precisely. It would prevent 30% of games becoming a long and drawn out series of votes until finally enough people are bored and/or frustrated enough with the stalemate to just want to wipe the slate clean. Instead players would have the option to vote for a hastened and adrenalin-charged ending with a clear winner OR continue to grind it out in the hope of a more traditional victory.

Here, however, I have to disagree with you. We are ice cream foes, standing on opposite sides of an unbroachable divide. There can be no collusion between us...

See, Fuzzle believes that current and/or past mechanics (timers and tickets) in their current forms are good enough solutions to the stalemate problem whereas, otoh, people like myself are suggesting that a new mechanic (which is really just a re-hash of the existing mechanics, but with enough of a twist on the originals that it counts as 'different') like sudden death might provide a more attractive alternative to the currently banal /nextmap result of a stalemate vote.

Fuzzle wants us to be happy vanilla and chocolate ice cream; for him the thought of introducing more flavours would be... oh... egotistical? I think this is silly, instead voicing the suggestion that maybe (just maybe) adding banana flavour to the selection would lead to a better overall game. Where people take our various suggestions kinda isn't up to us, but either way I can't really see it magically turning out that we were both just mistaken and that secretly we both agreed.

Unless it's about Hella probably being a bastard. No one could disagree with that.

 

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Haha, that's fair enough, I wholeheartedly sympathise with the desire for just wanting some damned (and also tasty) dairy-based dessert (!) irrespective of whether it's your preferred flavour.

I guess my only point against that would be that this is a thread for people to dream dreams (practical dreams, people! Take your crazy ideas for completely changing ALL THE THINGS to S & I ) and thus, imho, coming up with solutions for stalemates that involve a modest amount of modding/new code isn't all that unreasonable.

(And, re: bananas, do you just hate the flavour of the fruit, or do you also dislike the that lovely artificial flavour they call "banana" that really just tastes of "yellow"? )

 

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